ya! what "nutzkicker" said!

Limon promotes games at the Bike non stop on Twitter without fully disclosing his financial arrangement with the Bike. How much does he make from rake and how does this affect his promotion of how good and "juicy" the games are? Shouldn't he also disclose why he lets certain people play in the game (fish? Friendly pro? People who take him golfing?) Shouldn't he disclose any freebies he gives to players in the game and why? Limon, if ethics and disclosure are so important to you why aren't you voluntarily disclosing these important factors about the game you host at the Bike, a regulated California casino?

since you obviously monitor my twitter (thanks by the way lil buddy <3 my fans!) you will know exactly who i invite (everyone on twitter) and exactly what we do (drink and gamble).

If you scratch together a buy in ill start a game with you anytime. we can disclose til the cows come home.



I will gladly tell you every player ive ever had a financial stake in in the game. (hint: its less than 1.)

You should seriously just get off the Internet. You don't even understand that casinos are regulated at the state level so you can't just pass a law unless you want the fbi or something to start regulating poker tournaments or you actually want to create the "federal poker police" and go around withholding money and charging people with felonies.

this will start as a tournament rule in high buy in events and will move forward organically from there. internet out!

I don't buy the argument that with a law that a small percentage of people being caught would change behavior. The IRS catches a small percentage of poker players but 99% of people in the poker room are not paying taxes and they get away with it.

A slight aside although somewhat on topic:

Does anyone have a problem w/ last-longer bets? Many years ago there was a tourney reg (don't see him anymore) that organized all of the last longers at Casino Arizona's regular smallish events and I can't remember if he told me that he took a fee or got tipped. One of the reasons (secondary since it's really the huge juice that keeps me away) that I don't play them is bec he'd show me a list that was sometimes 20%+ of the field which just has to affect the play.

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I now see that limon (who I regard as a highly valuable poster) wants to start small w/ the bigger BI events and let it percolate down and that's reasonable. See what happens, etc, etc. OTOH, even though I have a winning small BI tourney record (even got my pic in Card Player when they used to do that) maybe I should butt out since I'm not a tourney reg at all.

Last Longers playing at the same table should also be disclosed. I have no problem with prop bets either, even if they happen to "affect play."

What does my ability to play poker or scrape together a buy in have to do with pointing out the lack of disclosures you fail to make at "your" game you run at a regulated casino? I see why you change the subject after all I recall you have stated you control who plays in your game and I don't think you are allowed to make up things to get people barred. How and why someone gains access to your game should be disclosed as should your financial arrangement with the Bike. Anyone with half a brain knows a really "juicy" game does not need to be promoted non stop on Twitter to fill up.

As far as I know you don't even play in tournaments, I believe you are the one who is trolling to promote your podcast which you conveniently mentioned in your post.

good point

So, there is NOT any actual anti-staking bill nor regulation "coming out of Nevada" that you know of ?

(I get that it makes a dramatic assertion, but it is not really accurate to claim that there is one.)

there may be. language is hazy. nothing is passed yet. whats your point? my point is clear. politicians can pass laws about gambling staking if they want to contrary to what many in this thread asserted. would you like to get back on topic?

Lol, there are scandals involving people placing bets for others in sports books. This was the intent of the law...but it's language inadvertently could be interpreted to also apply to poker staking. But that was not their intent. Until poker staking affects the bottom line of a casino the lawmakers do not care. It's also a Nevada law hence only applys to Nevada.

You just exaggerate your points and scream loud and try to get attention. You even say you hate tournaments anyway.

actually according to the poll and players, like ike, with a head on their shoulders my points scream loud on their merits. wise up.

Your concern is fine, calling for felonies and comparing it to insider trading just makes you look silly.

Also, if you are that concerned about staking and swapping arrangements you should just call for them to be banned. You will just get tons of complaints about teams cheating and nothing will ever be proven or disproven and it will be bad for the game under a plan to disclose them.

I dont think they should be banned. I think you should be allowed to get a loan from whomever you want to play a tournament or cash game. Id never do it but i wouldnt begrudge someone else.

What would happen if a player claimed (probably inaccurately) to have a financial arrangement with every other player at the table, in order to avoid a possible penalty under the proposed rule?

Maybe he really only has a financial arrangement with one player.

Would the prohibition be against telling lies at the table?

what if were all actually in the matrix?

So what does disclosing it accomplish then? So you can avoid playing pots with them? So you can tell the tounament director if you think they are cheating? i just think tons of people would be falsely accused of cheating.

Wouldn't the safe action be to always claim a financial relationship?

I voted yes if only for the reason that players being backed to play games that they wouldn't be able to play on their own is bad for poker in general.

dude really? i cant believe im responding to this. other players at the table would see they were on the arrangement board. theyd let the TD know. the guy would get a timeout for being and idiot, same as if he told another player he was going to kill them or whatever.

Really?

so you can know, and watch, sunlight is the best disinfectant. people are less likely to try something with 14 eyes on them. accusations happen now and are a mess. this would make the process organized. ime colluding crimes tend to be crimes of opportunity among non-professional cheaters.

whether its hard or not isnt the point. its whether its RIGHT. collecting counting bagging tagging and storing individual chips for individual events is HARD and EXPENSIVE but its right.

I don't know dont thibk bagging and tagging chips is that hard they put them in a cart and that's it lol. I'm always surprised at how fast the seat assignments for the next day are posted at wsop. Probably would take longer to count the chips than give them back out.

Truth is most people are staked because they dont hand a big enough bankroll not that they are cheating. I think it would send the message to rec players that cheating among staked players is rampant when that is not the case.