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View Poll Results: Should financial teams be required to disclose when they are at the same table

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02-26-2015 , 06:02 PM

#26

limon

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Originally Posted by j20s

lol.

It's not even April Fool's. This is a comical idea...at best.

useful idiots coming out and providing cover for the cheating teams. the games will always be good...

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02-26-2015 , 06:06 PM

#27

j20s

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Originally Posted by limon

useful idiots coming out and providing cover for the cheating teams. the games will always be good...

The only idiot here is you. Nothing like scaring away recs with your SEC-like regulations being instilled in what is supposed to be a fun casino game.

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02-26-2015 , 06:08 PM

#28

limon

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Originally Posted by j20s

The only idiot here is you. Nothing like scaring away recs with your SEC-like regulations being instilled in what is supposed to be a fun casino game.

oh wow. just...wow. post of the year.

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02-26-2015 , 06:10 PM

#29

wheelflush

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Originally Posted by j20s

The only idiot here is you. Nothing like scaring away recs with your SEC-like regulations being instilled in what is supposed to be a fun casino game.

wtf
this would do absolutely nothing to scare away anyone except cheaters.

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02-26-2015 , 06:10 PM

#30

GrimeRat420

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I agree in principle but its impossible to fairly regulate and therefore has potential for chaos. I hear california prisons arent overpopulated enough, we should put more non violent felons in there amirite

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02-26-2015 , 06:13 PM

#31

j20s

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Originally Posted by limon

oh wow. just...wow. post of the year.

Says the old man grasping at straws trying to be relevant in poker when he never was and never will be. Keep thinking of dumb ideas that will *never* happen. Never, ever. Beyond being simply dumb, it is also impossible to make a rule, and even harder to enforce. You are a clown.

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02-26-2015 , 06:14 PM

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Howard Beale

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Enforcement isn't impossible but it would be hugely expensive and the juice would have to go way up. The problem is that 'poker' isn't a 'sport' and it doesn't have a governing body that requires refs and umpires and the like to see that rules are enforced. Each venue is on it's own.

In order to properly enforce each player would have to place his cards on a viewer and there'd have to be a large body of expert refs (for each variant) checking to see if the play is at least reasonable. This would be costly and it won't happen.

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02-26-2015 , 06:15 PM

#33

j20s

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Originally Posted by wheelflush

wtf
this would do absolutely nothing to scare away anyone except cheaters.

Yea, because recs would be so enticed to play when there is an organized list of known winners participating in the profit sharing of their money. Recs would rather live in ignorance, but OP has decided that it would be best to put the (presumably) best players on public display.

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02-26-2015 , 06:15 PM

#34

limon

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Originally Posted by GrimeRat420

this will start as a tournament rule. it will be easily administered and get us 80% of the way there. It will be codified into law much later as a result of national online poker sites that will be tightly regulated for tax purposes (see also nevada law)

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02-26-2015 , 06:16 PM

#35

boredoo

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Originally Posted by j20s

The only idiot here is you. Nothing like scaring away recs with your SEC-like regulations being instilled in what is supposed to be a fun casino game.

This is a good point. I am a rec and I would definitely play less often if I knew there were rules against collusion.

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02-26-2015 , 06:16 PM

#36

limon

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never ever?

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02-26-2015 , 06:16 PM

#37

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recs would rather live in ignorance... or you would rather keep them ignorant?

again, see the poll.

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02-26-2015 , 06:18 PM

#38

limon

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

this has nothing to do with the playing of hands. this is about full disclosure. there are already rules about collusion.

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02-26-2015 , 06:20 PM

#39

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

In order to properly enforce each player would have to place his cards on a viewer and there'd have to be a large body of expert refs (for each variant) checking to see if the play is at least reasonable. This would be costly and it won't happen.

even with this rule, i don't think it's up to the house to enforce reasonable play at all. it's the table's job. but the table needs to know who they should be looking for.

Last edited by wheelflush; 02-26-2015 at 06:21 PM. Reason: yeah what limon said ^

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02-26-2015 , 06:22 PM

#40

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The apologists in this thread are amazing. Why do so many scam artists and thieves seek out the poker community? hmmmm.....

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02-26-2015 , 06:30 PM

#41

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Originally Posted by limon

The apologists in this thread are amazing. Why do so many scam artists and thieves seek out the poker community? hmmmm.....

I have never once been scammed or thieved in thousands of hours of live poker, primarily in the biggest game running in a room. Or maybe I have been, but it doesn't matter, because it made a tiny difference at most and the games remain beatable. If this is a real concern to anyone, it is more indicative of their shortcomings while playing that they are attempting to compensate for via excuses (read: they're cheating against me!)

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02-26-2015 , 06:31 PM

#42

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by limon

this has nothing to do with the playing of hands. this is about full disclosure. there are already rules about collusion.

I get what you're saying but think about it for a minute: How are you going to ensure this full disclosure that you want? Insider trading leaves a paper trail and witnesses. What evidence can be found to convict players of having undisclosed shares of each other? Poker is dirty and we all know it. It's why I never played high online and avoid tourneys for the most part.

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02-26-2015 , 06:32 PM

#43

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Originally Posted by limon

its actually pretty easy. probably easier than insider trading. most financial arrangements have a paper (text) trail because the participants want things clear AND DOCUMENTED. If the participants are required to register while at the same table and dont these arrangements will be made public from time to time by whistleblowers, jilted horses, butthurt ex roommates, etc.

A few tournament purses withheld/confiscated will go a long LONG way. and it will happen. It will become much easier/safer to just register.

In principle this idea would be fairly easy to do, give more transparency to poker & also help grow the game-in as I know off a lot a people who would never play at certain places because of the unknown teams.
It also goes a long way to making our game very much more professional.
The cost of this may make the rake go up a $ or 2 & also some may have to pay "their" taxes so u can see y ppl would resent this going further.
I'd bet that 90% of peeps who play our game have fallen victim to collusion because of the horses, this problem if far bigger than 1 would imagine is my take on it.

MAC

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02-26-2015 , 06:33 PM

#44

turoo

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sure this is going to be a thing. its because the majority of the pokerworld is honest and open about everything. <3

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02-26-2015 , 06:33 PM

#45

CanadaPete

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Lol, op is a dolt. What are they going to pass a federal law and create an agency for this? Lol.
The intent of the Nevada law involves sportsbooks, it just so happens that poker staking arrangements would be covered because of the language written. I've played a long time if I'm uncomfortable in a game I quit.

Last edited by CanadaPete; 02-26-2015 at 06:39 PM.

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02-26-2015 , 06:36 PM

#46

AEAB1105

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All of Germany would be broke if this happened.

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02-26-2015 , 06:40 PM

#47

wheelflush

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Originally Posted by CanadaPete

if I'm uncomfortable in a game I quit.

So do I. We don't want players to quit. Undisclosed staking arrangements make us uncomfortable. See the poll.

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Poker is dirty and we all know it. It's why I never played high online and avoid tourneys for the most part.

It doesn't have to be this dirty though!

Why do you avoid tourneys? It should be fairer than most cash games, due to the random table draw.

Seems like you agree, we have a lot of room for improvement.

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02-26-2015 , 06:41 PM

#48

sfcard

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It seems to be common knowledge that a large portion players in small high roller fields are supported by two or three backing groups. Given that everyone is aware of these arrangements, is it accepted that players with shared backing are adjusting their play accordingly in these tournaments?

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02-26-2015 , 06:43 PM

#49

limon

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Hey! I dont mind secret financial teams at my tables because the problem is too hard for me to solve! --- Apologists ITT.

the games will always be good.