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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
Interestingly, in a large database the average "reg" (literally just reasonable VPIP/PFR) has a decent win-rate (2.5bb/100 pre-RB). If rake is 7bb/100 then 9.5bb/100 of their winnings comes from fish/not regs.
The crushers still win at <10bb/100 so even if you assume all their extra edge comes from beating regs they'd still be losing without fish. It looks like anyone winning at a micro/low stakes table with all regs is (relatively) insanely good and should be playing higher.
The win rates you're citing from a database sound plausible - even close to what I can remember off hand from my own database.
The last part of your logic doesn't seem right to me though.
A 2.5bb/100 win rate could be from winning 2bb/100 from fish and .5bb/100 from regs ... or (much more likely) it could be from winning 12bb/100 from fish and losing 9.5bb/100 against regs ... or many other combinations. To be clear in my 1st example your true win rate against fish with 7bb/100 rake would be 9bb/100 and 7.5bb/100 from regs ... or 19bb/100 from fish and -2.5bb/100 against regs in my latter example.
I actually have a way to find the answer to this, at least in my own pool ... but it could take a while to post the results.