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Old 05-31-2012, 04:40 AM   #76
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Let her play, donate some of those lost Epic $'s into the poker economy. The reception she'll get from a lot of players is punishment enough, if she keeps turning up with money then you should be delighted to have her.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:47 AM   #77
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LOL. Benny Binion "never killed anyone who didn't deserve it", and people are trying to make the tournament he started "squeaky clean".
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:11 AM   #78
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Let her come and play. Being inclusive is a good thing for a tournament.

There is nothing that should stop you from telling her what you think though. Free speech is ok in the US isn't it?
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:17 AM   #79
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Did someone really compare poker to cooking? :/ I'm sure they put something in the 2plus2 water on BF that is turning people crazy.

It's an utterly bizarre situation when people are defending AD's right to be involved in anything poker related imo. Her recent track record is atrocious. The atmosphere at WSOP would benefit greatly from not having these people. Allowing her to play(and HL and co) is a bit of an insult actually.
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:42 AM   #80
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no one should ever be banned from any live poker events for anything they did off property.
No one should be arrested in Kentucky for crimes they committed in West Virginia.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:47 AM   #81
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Russ Hamilton comes to mind. How often does law enforcement come into play in poker scandals?

Known repeat card cheats seems like another good circumstance as well.
it depends on what you mean by a known card cheat i guess. if different casinos share information with each other about people that they have actually caught cheating in their casinos, i have no problem with that and don't really consider it off property. i do have a problem with random casino employees being assigned the task of passing judgement on customers based on news articles, word of mouth etc. for pretty obvious reasons.

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No one should be arrested in Kentucky for crimes they committed in West Virginia.
that's a pretty terrible analogy even by internet standards. more llke people shouldn't be arrested by random casino employees that may or may not know ****.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:57 AM   #82
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i'm also curious whether or not people that think annie duke (or russ hamilton, or anyone) should be banned from live poker tournaments think she should be able to play slots, blackjack, etc. how closely related does a casino game need to be to a scandal that happens outside of casinos for people to get to play police?

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Old 05-31-2012, 08:27 AM   #83
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LOL. Benny Binion "never killed anyone who didn't deserve it", and people are trying to make the tournament he started "squeaky clean".
Banning a select few of the worst cases is far from making anything squeaky clean, and Binion's past really has nothing to do with this.

I'm not entirely convinced either way whether a ban of Duke or others is good or bad idea, but there sure are some terrible arguments against the idea ITT.

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i do have a problem with random casino employees being assigned the task of passing judgement on customers based on news articles, word of mouth etc. for pretty obvious reasons.
I don't recall anyone suggesting such a thing.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:37 AM   #84
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i do have a problem with random casino employees being assigned the task of passing judgement on customers based on news articles, word of mouth etc. for pretty obvious reasons.
Why would the employees be anymore "random" than say, Floorpeople, who are assigned to make rulings when called by a dealer?
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:31 AM   #85
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Setting up a committee to decide who to ban would be a complete cluster****. Unless someone directly violated WSOP rules no one should be banned. For non-WSOP infractions, the community can police itself. If you ever see a Lederer, Ferguson, Hamilton, etc. at your poker table, let them know how you feel. The fact that none of them will probably ever show up at a WSOP event again shows how effective self-policing can be.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:48 AM   #86
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Banning a select few of the worst cases is far from making anything squeaky clean, and Binion's past really has nothing to do with this.
I'll agree with that.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:04 AM   #87
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Setting up a committee to decide who to ban would be a complete cluster****. Unless someone directly violated WSOP rules no one should be banned.
What if they have violated casino rules outside of the poker room?
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:00 PM   #88
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If she shows up either she doesn't care about what happened, or is a sociopath who doesn't think what she did was wrong.
I'll take "The Ladder" for $400, Alex Trebek.

Looking forward to reading the PokerNews update to when someone snaps at her a table she's playing at, this year.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:13 PM   #89
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I dont think outside issues should stop someone from playing. If you pay you play. I do hate Annie and I also think Chris's banner should be taken down. I think having a banner up of a main owner of the site that is responsible for stealing from almost everyone in the poker community is in bad taste. Let him play and be harrassed but the banner got to go imo
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:19 PM   #90
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In this new era of a "Diffusion of Responsiblity", the WSOP just doesn't give a flying crap about what someone outside of the WSOP has done.

If they are paying the rake, the corporation just sees it as a profit gain. Nothing more.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:30 PM   #91
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just give em a big F U when you see them there. alienate them as much as possible.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:43 PM   #92
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couldnt ban the best female player in the world

"Sandra Naujoks AKA "Black Mamba"" rofl wat
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:46 PM   #93
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The idea here is to punish Annie? And the solution is to prevent her from dumping some of those ill-gotten gains back into the poker economy through buy-ins?
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:40 PM   #94
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There is nothing that should stop you from telling her what you think though. Free speech is ok in the US isn't it?
That's a nice thought but if you try hassling a name player at the WSOP (however justified it may be) you'll find that it's not considered ok at all by the floor people.

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Old 05-31-2012, 08:41 PM   #95
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so that means that the game should just continue with the same morals of said founder? how ****ing stupid of an argument is that? i guess the usa should reinstate slavery? strip women of rights? why are people so blindly against progress? it just blows my mind that people in this thread are in favor of being apathetic as opposed to improving and/or setting positive precedents for a game that we love.

it is really easy to draw a line when it comes to banning high profile players from playing wsop events. it is blatantly obvious that a number of these people (lederer, ferguson, duke, hamilton) were involved in defrauding the poker community and that is what this discussion is about. its not about banning everyone that has a speeding ticket from playing, its about ostracizing these people that have been directly involved in defrauding our community.
couldnt have said it better myself^^
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:49 PM   #96
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so that means that the game should just continue with the same morals of said founder? how ****ing stupid of an argument is that? i guess the usa should reinstate slavery? strip women of rights? why are people so blindly against progress? it just blows my mind that people in this thread are in favor of being apathetic as opposed to improving and/or setting positive precedents for a game that we love.

it is really easy to draw a line when it comes to banning high profile players from playing wsop events. it is blatantly obvious that a number of these people (lederer, ferguson, duke, hamilton) were involved in defrauding the poker community and that is what this discussion is about. its not about banning everyone that has a speeding ticket from playing, its about ostracizing these people that have been directly involved in defrauding our community.
Yes, well said!
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Old 06-01-2012, 04:35 PM   #97
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I think she should be held responsible for epic poker and repay the money she didnt really earn, but you can't ban her, just like you can't beat up lederer or ferguson. Just don't allow people to take advantage anymore.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:11 PM   #98
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they should have an ethics committee and make her go in front of them, so they can ask her to explain why she thinks she should be able to play.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:27 PM   #99
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Posts like this^^^ explain why he was knighted, and is not just mrswish6 IMO
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:32 PM   #100
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You can't ban her for something that happened outside the Rio, just harass her and make her feel unwelcome at every single table with constant questions about Epic/UB and other factual insults
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