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I’m in this group

same. nothing creates anxiety more than big bet games lives in cash. shouldn't be played imo. live cash should be fun, 200bb+ plo/nl is not.

Ya, I am AARP eligible and when I sit at my local OE game, I am almost always the youngest person. The participants are among the most miserable people I have ever met.

At my semi local casino it's rare to see anybody under 50 on the table and 50 is the equivalent of a 21 year old for holdem. The most common player looked 70ish and a bus that probably picked up players from a retirement home or 55+ condo complex brought most of the players to the casino as the game always broke when their bus was leaving around 5pm.

It's strange but until holdem took off in the mid 90's stud and 5 card draw were the only games played at home games and only stud at undergrounds where I lived.

Of course a young guy in those games is now around 50 but there still should be a bulk of players in that age but nobody but a rare straggler type plays in that age range.

Stud is my favorite game and the one I'm best at, but it can be boring if you're trying to play for an edge at low stakes against a table full of calling stations.

Pot limit on 5th and up is interesting.

This is true of any split pot game: old, broke and angry.

Mixed games will make a comeback eventually. Mix it the F**K up.

Just about everyone in living Vegas is near broke and getting by on a pipe dream of making a living on Poker, hence the games suck. With COVID and few visitors, it must be 10x as bad.

You’ll never get a game started unless you bring other players with you that are willing to play. And those players need to stay for a while because people in Vegas mostly only want to play NL.

I would like to see more 7CS myself but would be surprised if it happens.

Not stud but if you like Omaha 8, the 8-16 with kill to 12-24 at Orleans is fun with good action (can’t speak to this second but the game has always been locals oriented and it is loose with big pots many times though not every table). Typical pots there bigger than almost every 1-3 in Vegas except at Wynn where they can be good. I played some 1-3 at bell last time I was there and left quickly because the games were tight and not fun so figured I’d go do something else.

Even at the Nugget, my experience was NOT what OP describes. We had a few hands that chopped, but far more common was hands that went to a flop with even crappy cards calling $11 pre-flop. The most egregious was a woman who called 8-3 in early position because...sooooooted.

At one point on Tuesday of last week, there were nine games going (in a 13-table room). And this was at roughly 1P, not the evening hours.

While I agree that games like 7CS would be fun to play somewhere other than tournaments, the small sampling of games I had last week suggests there is STILL plenty of money to be had at the low level stakes in No-Limit...

Live poker without a vaccine is going to struggle. There is no elixir.

Paranoid covid people don't want to play as long as chips are being passed around.

People who find masks uncomfortable don't want to play with a mask.

There is no way to expand the player base at this point. Reg fish will get fed up losing their money quicker short handed, and non-reg fish will do something else than go to the casino, and when they do go to the casino, less likely to spend some of their time in the poker room.

it is the sad reality. Sure, mixed games are a ton of fun and will increase action among the smaller player pool, but the nit regs don't really want to learn new games.

The major problem with the mixed game culture is that there is zero willpower or interest t to attract tourists or more 'normie' type players into the game by making a more friendly mix.

On a busy WSOP day, you might see a 40, 80, 100, 200, and 400 mix plus a nosebleed running at Bellagio. However, most of the mixes are going to be something like 4 draw games (two of them split pot), sometimes Omaha, maaaybe one stud game, and then chances are there are some real wild ones like razz-deucey.

I can't tell you the number of times that I've seen someone sit down, realize it wasn't the holdem game, express some interest in playing, but then look at the plaques and see that they literally haven't heard of 9 of the 10 games.

Big bet isn't going to run much because the reg pool is mostly people who don't know it, but you'll very rarely see a mix that is say, three or four games with one or two that are more accessible.

There are very few new players in the mix because of this dynamic and I think it could stand to change a bit.


Not that I'll be in there any time soon. I confess I don't quite understand the point of building a roll to play high stakes if it means you can't even take time off to avoid the plague.

it needs to be run at like 3-6 limits a lot more. even if rake is dogshit prolly. its still beatable?

i think the cost of entry is too high. im infvor of any non NL gamebeing mre pop

7 card is fun if they make it Pot limit, but limit is boring imo.

Rake is beatable if they are bad.

If everyone is decent, rakes at those limits are brutal.

i guess 4-8 would have to be hte minimum

So you are avoiding the plague like the plague? Good for you my friend.

While I mostly love any game that gets thrown out there, these points are valid. Back in the days when the mix was BOTE did that get new players? I think the really bad games to add to a mix if your goal is new players are games like Badeucey and as you mentioned something like Razz Deucey. No one wants to learn how to play Badeucey and it moves so slow.

I assure you its not only solid regs who have returned to the tables.

grunch:

i love that during covid, someone legitimately had the thought: "but what about seven card stud?"

In general the "good regs" who play split games are just intolerable, including the younger players and in big bet formats.

I have never figured out why this is true. I believe its because of the free roll aspect of the game. Nits of moderate intelligence like and plan around roping suckers using this feature of the game, and get frustrated and bitter because they never move on to learning and implementing other aspects of the game is my theory.

that limit games can be fun and are better for the "poker economy" is well-known, this still won't change the fact, that most (new) players would like to jump in big bet games. they want to pull of a big bluff or rake in a massive pot.

i love stud, but it's far too complex in the eyes of new players. add the issues that Bakes mentioned, and there's no chance, this will be popular on a bigger scale.

i appreciate the hussle of putting COVID in the topic, so ppl click a stud-related thread, but maybe just ppl deal with this crisis in different

+1 to the great game of sev sev sev seven card stud!

At Talking Stick Resort in AZ, there was a 7 card stud game that ran on sunday mornings. I played in it twice. It's a fun game, though at $3/6 it gets raked to death. The average age of the players seemed to be 60+. I haven't seen the game running on Bravo since the casino reopened and I doubt it will ever go again.