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Video Proof-Hit BetOnline BBJ but got disconnected when I clicked call. Resolved, Post 356 Video Proof-Hit BetOnline BBJ but got disconnected when I clicked call. Resolved, Post 356

05-27-2020 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnFR
Does the BetOnline hand replayer show the hand with the exact same timings as the original hand? IE. if it takes 10 seconds for a player to act when the hand happened does the hand replayer itself also take 10 seconds for that player to act?
I highly highly doubt it. But I’m sure they could verify on their backend how long it was. But as someone else mentioned , it should use timebank automatically.
05-27-2020 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
This is a no brainer.
Absolutely. How this isn't resolved by now is mind-blowing.
05-27-2020 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
I highly highly doubt it. But I’m sure they could verify on their backend how long it was. But as someone else mentioned , it should use timebank automatically.
So what happens if it used full time/time bank/disconnection time like other sites, how would we know this happened or not based on just the video of the replayer?
05-27-2020 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hi bpb,

They are totally different promotions and as such are totally incomparable.
The GGpoker promo does not involve any other players hole cards.
So there is a clear definition for once the requirements have been hit.

Regards

Mike
Mike, are you in a position to look at the hand history from the back end of the client? Perhaps you can see info on connection status, etc. At the very least, you will see that this hand is legit. Sorry, I don't have a great knowledge of online poker technology, but perhaps the site can see data that isn't readily available to the player (e.g. mouse click location).

It's pretty obvious the player would not have voluntarily folded in this spot, so BOL has no way to sensibly argue that side of it. (This is vastly different to a player who folded something like 63 preflop, only to watch in horror that he would have been up against 55 on a 455A7 board had he played.)

At the very least, BOL should be making every effort to investigate the situation.
05-27-2020 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnFR
So what happens if it used full time/time bank/disconnection time like other sites, how would we know this happened or not based on just the video of the replayer?
You wouldn’t. But based on someone else it seems like it just auto mucks?
I don’t know 100% I don’t play there anymore.
05-27-2020 , 02:28 PM
Love how BOL is completely silent....
05-27-2020 , 02:32 PM
Is it just super bad timing for a disconnect? Or a nefarious situation? But why would BOL want anything nefarious? The BBJ is there to be paid, eventually. Unless BOL is in a world of pain right now with no cash on hand, a la Full Tilt situation, and simply wouldn't be able to pay a BBJ right now?
05-27-2020 , 02:38 PM
i dont think its anything nefarious..... but it doesnt change the fact BOL should award him the BBJP. its not some sort of conspiracy by chico to not pay out the BBJP.

pay this man his money.
05-27-2020 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Is it just super bad timing for a disconnect? Or a nefarious situation? But why would BOL want anything nefarious? The BBJ is there to be paid, eventually. Unless BOL is in a world of pain right now with no cash on hand, a la Full Tilt situation, and simply wouldn't be able to pay a BBJ right now?
I've thought the exact same thing. The second the turn card is dealt, creating a bad beat jackpot hand, the player loses the ability to act?

I'm just not buying that it was a 1 in a million bad timed disconnect.
05-27-2020 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Raisin
I've thought the exact same thing. The second the turn card is dealt, creating a bad beat jackpot hand, the player loses the ability to act?

I'm just not buying that it was a 1 in a million bad timed disconnect.
yeah, right. right in the second they have to payout over 300k the player gets disconnected and cant act! how convenient, or what a coincident.

I calling it a scandal! call joeingram call matusow call everybody
05-27-2020 , 03:25 PM
I would normally skip past threads like this, but this is brutal.
Hope it all works out for OP.
05-27-2020 , 03:30 PM
Who knows what's really going on but if you think about all of the various scandals in both live/online poker over the years, you have to really be skeptical of shenanigans like this.

Hell, we have examples of legal stateside casinos that steal from their players: https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/t...nament-8236241

Everyone knows about the online poker super user scandal, FTP, Mike Postile, and the half a dozen other high profile scams that have been perpetuated over the past 20 years or so in the live/online poker world.

I'm not accusing BOL or Chico of any wrong doing, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if we later found out that something more nefarious was going on here.

During the super user scandal, the argument against it was "These online poker sites are making hand over fist in rake, why would they screw over their player pool."

We now know that this argument doesn't hold water anymore.
05-27-2020 , 03:42 PM
I tried to find the video of the BetOnline blackjack scandal but the video was removed.

I did find this article that had an interesting tidbit at the end:

https://www.casino.org/news/betonlin...ealing-rumors/

The article says:

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Beckley on Board?

But stranger things have happened. Like, for example, the AbsolutePoker scandal, in which it was discovered that a “superuser” account could see other players’ hole cards and was being used by AP employees to fleece players. And then, in 2011, the site was closed down by FBI on Black Friday, owing players millions.

According to CalvinAyre.com this week, the disgraced online poker site’s co-founder Brent Beckley, who spent 14 months in a federal prison for bank fraud and wire fraud, has a new job. At BetOnline.com.

The rumors of Beckley’s new appointment were swirling at the recent International Casino Exhibition in London, with “trusted industry sources, more than one, independent of each other,” telling CA that the rumors were true.

When CA reached out to BetOnline.com for comment, it received the standard response: “It’s the company’s policy not to comment on its relationships with its customers, partners, vendors or employees.”

If there were ever a finer argument for regulating online gambling, we’re aching to hear it.
05-27-2020 , 03:50 PM
What incentive would BOL have to not pay out? Someone will hit it eventually. Why would they go through the trouble of intentionally disconnecting someone? Do you guys listen to yourselves? Honestly. Let me guess, They disconnected him because they are waiting for one of their house bots to be in a hand when the BBJ hits, right?
05-27-2020 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
What incentive would BOL have to not pay out? Someone will hit it eventually. Why would they go through the trouble of intentionally disconnecting someone? Do you guys listen to yourselves? Honestly. Let me guess, They disconnected him because they are waiting for one of their house bots to be in a hand when the BBJ hits, right?
That thought crossed my mind.

But I guess time will tell if betonline rightfully pays the players out or steals the money.
05-27-2020 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
What incentive would BOL have to not pay out? Someone will hit it eventually. Why would they go through the trouble of intentionally disconnecting someone? Do you guys listen to yourselves? Honestly. Let me guess, They disconnected him because they are waiting for one of their house bots to be in a hand when the BBJ hits, right?

Some guy hit the BBJ BACK to BACK at Betonline....


The incentive is $350,000 ...
05-27-2020 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Raisin
That thought crossed my mind.

But I guess time will tell if betonline rightfully pays the players out or steals the money.
I don't really care what anyone else thinks... but personally, with all the scandals that online poker players have had to endure over the past 15-20 years, I think it's foolish to NOT be skeptical about these sorts of things.

BOL/Chico should pay the man his money, acknowledge the server connection problems that have plagued their site for YEARS and either do away the with BBJ or revise the rules concerning the BBJ so that something like this never happens again.

I'm personally against BBJs but that's my opinion and that's not what this thread is about. That's an entirely different discussion that's been had on this forum several times.
05-27-2020 , 04:49 PM
Super sick.

Did you play one table only? If not what happened at the other tables?
05-27-2020 , 04:54 PM
New small update.

Someone named @DaveMasonBOL was tagged to a tweet of this thread and he followed me and told me to DM him the info. So I dmed him everything and hopefully he can help. I really am optimistic they make this right.

He did say though he doesn't really work with poker but the sports book, but I'm sure he knows who to talk to. Will update when I know more of course
05-27-2020 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning247
Some guy hit the BBJ BACK to BACK at Betonline....


The incentive is $350,000 ...
Seriously, do you think everything is a conspiracy?
05-27-2020 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFabulous
Super sick.

Did you play one table only? If not what happened at the other tables?
Correct, only 1 tabling. Just play casually for fun. I didn't even leave the table afterwards, when I recorded that first video I was still at the table and even show it on my PC when I scan over to my other monitor. Didn't have any issues before or after. I've donked off my remaining money at the tables to some lucky players and obviously I won't be redepositing anytime soon.

With that being said if they do make this right I will for sure leave some money on the site. I enjoy betting sports/esports and playing poker casually.
05-27-2020 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning247
Some guy hit the BBJ BACK to BACK at Betonline....


The incentive is $350,000 ...

I wasn't aware of that. Definitely makes this whole thing a lot shadier.
05-27-2020 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Seriously, do you think everything is a conspiracy?
Conspiracy’s doesn’t mean crazy or incorrect....
Also the sheer odds of the same person winning back to back BBJ has to be in the tens of millions (I think)

Shady offshore sites can do what they want. To just be naive and pretend everyone is good seems foolish.

Human beings are greedy. If you’re running basically a cash grab business with zero overhead looking into you, what’s to stop you from taking a little extra. Nothing. As long as it’s not obvious , no one would ever notice.
05-27-2020 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by easyfnmoney
I tried to find the video of the BetOnline blackjack scandal but the video was removed.

I did find this article that had an interesting tidbit at the end:

https://www.casino.org/news/betonlin...ealing-rumors/

The article says:
Here it is:


This is egregious.
05-27-2020 , 05:38 PM
Holy **** that is insane... Also very discouraging..

      
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