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Vanessa Selbst calls Matusow "a disgusting, delusional, and downright pathetic human being" Vanessa Selbst calls Matusow "a disgusting, delusional, and downright pathetic human being"

10-18-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken Fresno
22. Professional sports is mostly a waste of time and a way to distract people from how they're being exploited

This discredits everything he posted imo

Nothing more pure than sports. Capitalism will have its negative effects, but that's natural, and it goes for everything.

If you want to say they suck because people made them suck, then you can't say that religion is 95% good.
And couldn't you also say the same thing about all types of entertainment including televised poker? But I suppose he may have singled out sports because it happens to be one of the biggest ones.
10-18-2017 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken Fresno
22. Professional sports is mostly a waste of time and a way to distract people from how they're being exploited

This discredits everything he posted imo

Nothing more pure than sports. Capitalism will have its negative effects, but that's natural, and it goes for everything.

If you want to say they suck because people made them suck, then you can't say that religion is 95% good.
True none the less. Nothing more pure than watching a soccer match where a guy straight dives on the ground and rolls around like a 5 year old in an attempt to get a penalty called on his opponent that didn't even touch him, OK.

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Originally Posted by prahsk87
And couldn't you also say the same thing about all types of entertainment including televised poker? But I suppose he may have singled out sports because it happens to be one of the biggest ones.
Yes, these industries provide an emotional outlet for an emotionally frustrated and out of touch society who pours all their hard earned money into various vices. This is the world around us.
10-18-2017 , 10:30 PM
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but going after people for their idiotic/scummy opinions can't be too bad.
Definitely a great way to help make the world a warmer more friendly place.
10-18-2017 , 10:47 PM
Oh and on topic of what Matusow actually said. He's right, shrug. People don't like being called out on being hypocrites but everyone knows what goes on in Hollywood and we still all support it. People project their own darkness onto others and then pretend it doesn't exist in them, nothing new going on....same game, different story.
10-18-2017 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Vanessa isn't new to Twitter, neither is she new to confrontation so getting so irate about someone tweeting something like that shouldn't really surprise her.

It's Twitter, you'd be hard pressed to go 20/30 tweets in your timeline of even following people you think you have interests in common with and not see something or an opinion you weren't "disgusted" with.

Mikes gonna Mike - there's literally hundreds of thousands of people out there of his demographic who have identical opinions. Can't believe someone of her intelligence is so surprised.

I guess she's not surprised, she's just "doing the right thing" and standing up for people.

edit: also this https://twitter.com/olivierbusquet/s...96178746900481

Funny how in our society "doing the right thing" is covering up the truth and projecting our collective sickness onto various scapegoats rather than looking at the darkness within ourselves. And conversely speaking the truth like Mike did about what is actually happening is called disgusting, delusional, and pathetic by someone who is now using the very act of projecting her own emotions onto the truth to try to muddy it up with her own delusions.
10-18-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
Oh and on topic of what Matusow actually said. He's right, shrug. People don't like being called out on being hypocrites but everyone knows what goes on in Hollywood and we still all support it. People project their own darkness onto others and then pretend it doesn't exist in them, nothing new going on....same game, different story.
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
Funny how in our society "doing the right thing" is covering up the truth and projecting our collective sickness onto various scapegoats rather than looking at the darkness within ourselves. And conversely speaking the truth like Mike did about what is actually happening is called disgusting, delusional, and pathetic by someone who is now using the very act of projecting her own emotions onto the truth to try to muddy it up with her own delusions.
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10-18-2017 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by junky monkey
Will Vanessa articulate her opinion on what Mike said?
I don't think you understand how Twitter works.
10-19-2017 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
Funny how in our society "doing the right thing" is covering up the truth and projecting our collective sickness onto various scapegoats rather than looking at the darkness within ourselves. And conversely speaking the truth like Mike did about what is actually happening is called disgusting, delusional, and pathetic by someone who is now using the very act of projecting her own emotions onto the truth to try to muddy it up with her own delusions.
I totally agree, which is why I put that in quotations
10-19-2017 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
People don't like being called out on being hypocrites but everyone knows what goes on in Hollywood and we still all support it.
No, I didn't know that "you had to do sexual favors to make it in Hollywood", and even having been told so by Matusow, I still don't believe it.

People can be appalled at Weinstein's alleged activities without being hypocrites.
10-19-2017 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
MM's tweet is a mean spirited example of victim blaming.

Mike Matusow ✔ @themouthmatusow
As sick as the Harvey Weistein story is everyone in USA pretty much knew you had to do sexual favors to make it in Hollywood! #hypocrites


"Woman know that they are likely to be harassed by powerful old men if they try to make it in Hollywood; therefore, they are to blame when they are in fact harassed."

That is not a harmless attitude, or a harmless tweet.
I agree its pretty bad, Mike is an idiot
10-19-2017 , 06:32 AM
We are very good lawyers for our own mistakes and very good judges for the mistakes of others.
10-19-2017 , 06:35 AM
I don't think that 'knowing' about something means you're a hypocrite for calling him out. If you actively took part in the same activities, sure.

Everyone 'knows' that bots operate in poker, are you a hypocrite if you are 'appalled' at them being used? Course not.
10-19-2017 , 06:51 AM
I want pinpoint delicate moral problem of actresses who failed to sex favors bribing scheme so they were victims but also abusers of their more decent fellow actresses who didn't get job.
10-19-2017 , 09:00 AM
Giving up some sexual favors voluntarally to advance your career is likely not uncommon in Hollywood or in many other areas. Morally sketchy at worse for both parties.

It would seem that this situation goes way beyond that to extortion and rape possibly. I am not sure how common that really is.
10-19-2017 , 11:17 AM
This is basically one of the few cases where you can't fault Vanessa.

Any sane and reasonable human will instantly recognize Matusow as an insane person after taking 30 seconds to look through his Twitter timeline. Years of drug abuse has clearly hurt him and now he has very little brain left(literally). His Twitter is all incoherent ramblings and ignorant statements.

There are lot of things you can blame Vanessa for, but telling an obvious truth about Matusow will never be one of them.
10-19-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by domgio7
If you make make a deal with the devil, don’t complain later, after reaping all the benefits. I feel bad for actresses who missed out on big parts in movies because they had morals. If Weinstein’s physically forced them to have sex, that’s different, but most of what I’ve read, is he basically hints that it will help their career to give him a massage. The girls do it, feel terrible about themselves, get famous in front of deserving actresses, and then after decades decide they shouldn’t have given in to Weinstein’s demands. What they don’t realize is they aren’t that special.
This.

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10-19-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
This is basically one of the few cases where you can't fault Vanessa.

Any sane and reasonable human will instantly recognize Matusow as an insane person after taking 30 seconds to look through his Twitter timeline. Years of drug abuse has clearly hurt him and now he has very little brain left(literally). His Twitter is all incoherent ramblings and ignorant statements.

There are lot of things you can blame Vanessa for, but telling an obvious truth about Matusow will never be one of them.



As sick as the Mike Matusow tweet is everyone on Twitter pretty much knew how much of a fruit loop he has become! #hypocrites
10-19-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, I didn't know that "you had to do sexual favors to make it in Hollywood", and even having been told so by Matusow, I still don't believe it.

People can be appalled at Weinstein's alleged activities without being hypocrites.
There's stories in the media constantly of rumors and allegations. If you don't watch TV or movies at all then perhaps you wouldn't know. If you do though then there's really no way of saying you've never heard about any of this. Now consider all the situations that have happened and were never reported about. This recent story is not some isolated incident or even close to that.
10-19-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
There's stories in the media constantly of rumors and allegations. If you don't watch TV or movies at all then perhaps you wouldn't know. If you do though then there's really no way of saying you've never heard about any of this. Now consider all the situations that have happened and were never reported about. This recent story is not some isolated incident or even close to that.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. It sounds something like victim-blaming/victim-shaming. I hope that is not what you mean.

In any event, the whole situation (whether everyone knew or nobody knew) speaks to the immense imbalance of power in the specific set of circumstances Weinstein took advantage of innumerable times over several decades.

Of course, an imbalance of power exists in many other real-life circumstances. We can hope that bringing Weinstein to light, with attendant universal damnation, can help reduce similar predatory behavior and can help others deal with their circumstances.
10-19-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. It sounds something like victim-blaming/victim-shaming. I hope that is not what you mean.
you seem to habitually get your jimmies rustled in this manner. can someone walk down the worst street in their city at night with a giant gold necklace and watch, get robbed, and simultaneously be a victim and an idiot?

does being a victim absolve you from any fault or criticism?

if you haven't paid attention to the story, i'll fill you in. it was actually common knowledge that cosby was a predator and scumbaggery like weinstein was rampant in hollywood. victims who remained silent resulted in more victims. just like victims of scammers being silent in the poker community. non victims that were turning a blind eye for profit created more victims. calling hollywood a bunch of hypocrites isn't much of a stretch

that said im not clear on what mike meant precisely. you could interpret it as he is a complete moron or you could leave the door open to the reality that hollywood is full of hypocrites which is a valid statement. i can understand people not giving matusow the benefit of the doubt since he's clearly an idiot, but its probably best to clarify what he meant before going nuclear
10-19-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
victims who remained silent resulted in more victims. just like victims of scammers being silent in the poker community. non victims that were turning a blind eye for profit created more victims.
It should be noted that some "non victims" are actually victims and vice versa. The unwilling, the unpretty, and sometimes the unfemale, were victims when they were passed over for someone not as competent Conversely there are undoubtedly people who are mildly or moderately harrassed who are actually glad that their boss or the one interviewing them for a job is a jerk. Anyone who knows they are not quite as good as some of the other applicants and who isn't particularly appalled by the inappropriate treatment doesn't really want the system to change.

Note also that this system would be most rampant in fields where employing the second best is barely penalized and in fields where success brings financial rewards far in excess of the jobs that would be available to that employee if they had to choose an alternative job, The movie business would be the quintessional example of an industry with these attributes.
10-19-2017 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
It should be noted that some "non victims" are actually victims and vice versa. The unwilling, the unpretty, and sometimes the unfemale, were victims when they were passed over for someone not as competent Conversely there are undoubtedly people who are mildly or moderately harrassed who are actually glad that their boss or the one interviewing them for a job is a jerk. Anyone who knows they are not quite as good as some of the other applicants and who isn't particularly appalled by the inappropriate treatment doesn't really want the system to change.

Note also that this system would be most rampant in fields where employing the second best is barely penalized and in fields where success brings financial rewards far in excess of the jobs that would be available to that employee if they had to choose an alternative job, The movie business would be the quintessional example of an industry with these attributes.
lets also keep in perspective that actresses make up a tiny portion of the people employed in hollywood. when i say "non victims" im not just talking about actresses
10-19-2017 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
lets also keep in perspective that actresses make up a tiny portion of the people employed in hollywood. when i say "non victims" im not just talking about actresses
You would be wrong to assume that actresses or in fact women are the only people being subjected to this kind of behavior, or the victim blaming. Look at what happened to Cory Feldman, and at Barbra Walter's response when he talked about it.

When I was in the early stage of my career in film at about 22 years old I was harassed by a senior crew member. I was groped on several occasions. Butt grab and crotch grab type stuff, but also line crossers like sticking a wet finger in my ear when I was at my desk with my back to the room. When I told him to stop it he acted like I was making a big deal about nothing. When I complained to my boss it was laughed off and I was told to man up. It only ended when I gave the groper's wrist a long hard squeeze and told him to keep his hands to himself. (I was a six-foot-two farm boy; the "or else" was seriously implied.) I was never hired by any of those people again.

I was also hit on a few times by male actors and producers, but only in the way people hit on other people, the way you or I might talk to someone we were attracted to. I never felt like my carrer was involved in my response but who knows. As Mr Skalansky says, "It should be noted that some "non victims" are actually victims and vice versa. The unwilling, the unpretty, and sometimes the unfemale, were victims when they were passed over for someone not as competent." I may have lost opportunities I didn't even know I had. I know I didn't get jobs I thought I should have, and I know that people of questionable abilities did get some of those jobs.

Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 10-19-2017 at 02:37 PM.
10-19-2017 , 04:49 PM
I don’t want to get political, but I wonder if #hypocrites had anything to do with Bill Clinton inserting cigars into interns in the oval official and not getting fired. Seems similar to what Harvey was doing.
10-19-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LucidDream
There's stories in the media constantly of rumors and allegations. If you don't watch TV or movies at all then perhaps you wouldn't know. If you do though then there's really no way of saying you've never heard about any of this. Now consider all the situations that have happened and were never reported about. This recent story is not some isolated incident or even close to that.
I think you're missing the point. Matusow said you "you had to do sexual favors to make it in Hollywood". No equivocation, no qualification. That means the only way to make it in Hollywood was to do sexual favours. Do you actually believe this? No one who has made it in Hollywood did so without doing sexual favours? I don't.

Now, you could tell me I'm being too literal. Fine. If he actually means that a lot of people who made it in Hollywood had to do sexual favours, that doesn't mean others who know this and criticize Weinstein are hypocrites. This seems so obvious to me that I feel a little silly explaining it.

      
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