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Vanessa Selbst calls Matusow "a disgusting, delusional, and downright pathetic human being" Vanessa Selbst calls Matusow "a disgusting, delusional, and downright pathetic human being"

10-21-2017 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I think Selbst is the one who came out of this as being less smarter then The Mouth. She looks like a tool attacking him like that, IMO. If you don't have anything nice to say, she was probably raised different then the rest of us.
I think if it was just this one post, she wouldn't have said anything, but they clash on a lot of stuff unsurprisingly.

I don't think it really deserves as much attention as it's getting, since you see this sort of thing on Twitter every day.
10-21-2017 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I think Selbst is the one who came out of this as being less smarter then The Mouth. She looks like a tool attacking him like that, IMO. If you don't have anything nice to say, she was probably raised different then the rest of us.
Weinstein was able to operate because no one said anything. Maybe we should be more willing to call out misbehavior and we should be willing to set the bar for what we criticize much lower than rape. If women are disadvantaged in this country (and they are), then it makes sense to be willing to challenge anything that contributes to a culture that oppresses women, especially coming from a public figure.

We can argue about whether or not Matusow was actually offensive, but an empathetic person should recognize how a reasonable person could take offense at that tweet.
10-21-2017 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroRoller
Just because you give something back to the person you raped or sexually harassed doesn't make it not rape or sexual harassment. Someone agreeing to perform sexual acts because they're told they won't make it in this business by someone powerful doesn't make it consensual. It's coerced.

Us guys have a hard time understanding what it might be like for these women. Let me try to see if I can help with that.

I'm assuming you're a straight guy. Let's say you're driving one night when you're speeding. He rattles off a list of citations he's going to give you that would result in you losing your license and you need to drive to function in your every day life. Without it you'd lose money, maybe your job, time with your family. But there's an option. You can suck his **** and he'll let you go with just a warning. You have no way of proving he said this. You can try to fight it but you'll still get the citations and have to wait to go to court, present your case, etc. He also has a gun and for all you know hell just outright kill you if you don't do what he says. If he's willing to do that why wouldn't he stage a scene to silence you so you can't tell anyone. so you agree to do what he says... and in return you get off with a warning. Would you call that a "quid pro quo trade"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quid_pro_quo

please familiarize yourself with what 'quid pro quo' sexual harassment is.
10-21-2017 , 10:33 PM
Ignoring tweets like Mike's is what has created the culture we have now. That's not okay.
10-21-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Ignoring tweets like Mike's is what has created the culture we have now. That's not okay.
You mean I'm not supposed to ignore feelings I don't prefer and pretend they don't exist or project my feelings onto something outside myself as the cause of my suffering? You mean I'm supposed to feel and deal with my own emotions and learn to manage them like an adult? You mean to tell me if I don't the dark, collective unconscious caverns of my psyche will manifest into my outer world experience as emotional triggers that cause pain and suffering in an attempt to wake me up to my ignorance? And you're saying if I don't deal with it then my delusions will bring deeper pain and suffering until I take responsibility for my thoughts and emotions and exercise choice in my life?
10-22-2017 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Ignoring tweets like Mike's is what has created the culture we have now. That's not okay.
In one post I can be positive I hate you.
10-22-2017 , 12:29 AM
Nice discussion we have here.
10-22-2017 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Nice discussion we have here.
What descussion? Stelbs is against open debate and Mike shares his opinion. The free market of ideas is what made USA great. But know you are losing your rights to political demagogs and ideologs... USA the least racist and least sexist place on earth, and that is a scientific fact! I feel so bad when see the delusional people who defend Stelbs. She is a tipical social marxist and 3th wave feminist, definetly not a person that reflects american values.
By definition capitalism is anti-racist and anti- sexist. Any one claims the opposite is simply uneducated or dishonest!
10-22-2017 , 05:42 AM
Isn't it well established that Matusow has some serious mental health issues? Going after him for his insane ramblings on Twitter seems to be in poor taste, and Selbst has nothing to gain by voicing her opinion in this manner, so I think they're both in the wrong--her more so.
10-22-2017 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixupost
USA the least racist and least sexist place on earth, and that is a scientific fact!
I don't think scientific fact means what you think it means.

In the top 10-20% of countries in the world, like most western democracies? More than likely. Undisputedly the least racist and sexist in the world? No. First of all, you won't find consensus on the issue, and secondly, I've yet to find a study on either racism or sexism that shows USA by itself at the top. That's not to say such studies don't exist, just that there's nothing to support your "scientific fact".

But this is getting to be quite a political turn, so I'm going to leave it at that, even though there's so much more to tear apart. And if NVG mods want to take my reply down with your post before this becomes a big derail, I'm fine with that. I just couldn't bear to see your bizarre post go unchallenged.

I have to add, though - a rather amusing post coming after you suggested I was living in a bubble.
10-22-2017 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I don't think scientific fact means what you think it means.

In the top 10-20% of countries in the world, like most western democracies? More than likely. Undisputedly the least racist and sexist in the world? No. First of all, you won't find consensus on the issue, and secondly, I've yet to find a study on either racism or sexism that shows USA by itself at the top. That's not to say such studies don't exist, just that there's nothing to support your "scientific fact".

But this is getting to be quite a political turn, so I'm going to leave it at that, even though there's so much more to tear apart. And if NVG mods want to take my reply down with your post before this becomes a big derail, I'm fine with that. I just couldn't bear to see your bizarre post go unchallenged.

I have to add, though - a rather amusing post coming after you suggested I was living in a bubble.
Ok no more derail. But "the least racist ans least sexist" contry in world is undesputed fact.
As it is within my main field of study and academic work i will not try to explain how sociaty works to the lady who is claining my library. Any honest historian and social anthropolog will agree that you got the least racist and least sexist society in human history.
Also sorry for the bubble commnet, we all have a bubble of ours
Also politics are in binary oppositon to science. I mean i don't get why you are worried about we going into politics. I don't even know who is the president of my contrey amd when was he elected.

Last edited by Fixupost; 10-22-2017 at 07:08 AM. Reason: Been drinking non stop for few days now. Sorry for bas grammar and derail. I got academic credential pm if u need info.
10-22-2017 , 09:16 AM
Not sure if Fixupost is trolling or just extremely dumb. Almost seems like it has to be a parody.
10-22-2017 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Not sure if Fixupost is trolling or just extremely dumb. Almost seems like it has to be a parody.
Social anthropology is a valid science. As a person with academic back group in this science i find no dificulty to make the claim that USA is the least racist and the least sexist country humanity has ever seen.
Maybe you do not know the definition and functions of racism and sexism?

Last edited by Fixupost; 10-22-2017 at 09:39 AM. Reason: Not from usa and i don't care for your political views. Science and politics are like fire and water.
10-22-2017 , 09:47 AM
No more derail please. I know! you think that i am dumb, a troll or bouth! Being the guy to derail a thread is a ****ed up feeling.
10-22-2017 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Fixupost
Ok no more derail. But "the least racist ans least sexist" contry in world is undesputed fact.
As it is within my main field of study and academic work i will not try to explain how sociaty works to the lady who is claining my library. Any honest historian and social anthropolog will agree that you got the least racist and least sexist society in human history.
Also sorry for the bubble commnet, we all have a bubble of ours
Also politics are in binary oppositon to science. I mean i don't get why you are worried about we going into politics. I don't even know who is the president of my contrey amd when was he elected.
Did you get your academic credentials from Trump University by any chance?
10-22-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Did you get your academic credentials from Trump University by any chance?
20 years of no tv and news. I do not lnow **** about trump. I hear he is racist.... but here i am talking with growm up people who fail to define racism and sexism...

Look i was shown a short video of ur antifa people. They are fascist by definition, but call their oposition fascist. I won't be suprised if Trump is not a racist nor sexist. As it is clear to me you do not care for science or objective truth. All you care about are your personal emotions.

Last edited by Fixupost; 10-22-2017 at 11:59 AM. Reason: Tbh Soros paid for my education. Poor guy did not know i actually more then political ideology and social marxism
10-22-2017 , 01:50 PM
standard radical feminist misandry. That's what they do. That any men feel like white knighting for people like Selbst is truly disgraceful
10-22-2017 , 01:59 PM
that he raped anyone has not been proven at all, he's a sleaze ball that weinstein but sex for power/money is an exchange that's occurred for millennia--i think these women may want to cleanse themselves of their arrangement by going after weinstein
10-22-2017 , 02:03 PM
many like Selbst pose as being the protectors and defenders for women, this is an angle it's what they often do. it's a tactic, Weinstein's behaviors should be closely examined as discussed as should those of the people who did things for him in exchange for advancement
10-22-2017 , 02:51 PM
ahahaa classsic matusow.

selbst being angry and douchy as usual.
10-22-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Fixupost
What descussion? Stelbs is against open debate and Mike shares his opinion. The free market of ideas is what made USA great. But know you are losing your rights to political demagogs and ideologs... USA the least racist and least sexist place on earth, and that is a scientific fact! I feel so bad when see the delusional people who defend Stelbs. She is a tipical social marxist and 3th wave feminist, definetly not a person that reflects american values.
By definition capitalism is anti-racist and anti- sexist. Any one claims the opposite is simply uneducated or dishonest!
Its funny how this seems to always work. He expresses an opinion and its freedom!! She does and she is shutting down his speech, stop oppressing me!! She should just stfu i guess...

      
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