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Old 09-23-2015, 03:33 PM   #576
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Steve cannot beat Vanessa in final two. Everyone in the jury knows she has played the best game and there isn't one person in the jury who thinks Steve has played a good game. He has ridden on others coattails.

Liz cannot beat Vanessa in the final two because Liz has never once spoken game with anyone in the jury other than her sister and Austin. She let Austin do all of her talking and that will hurt her in the end.

Steve has no intention of taking Vanessa to the final two if he wins round 3 because he's smart enough to know that he can't beat Vanessa. If he took her to the final two it would be the same thing as Cody taking Derrick last year and basically writing Derrick a 500k check.

Vanessa also won't take Steve even though she knows she can beat him. She will take Liz because Liz has been more loyal to her than Steve ever was.

So basically Vanessa has to win round 3 to be in control. Otherwise she goes out in third place with no money.
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thats an interesting take and it could be right. i only watch the show on cbs and dont follow a bunch of behind the scenes stuff

i just find that people are bitter and at the end of the day they weigh their decision way more heavily on who they like (want to give 500k) to far more than game play. game play comes in when people are choosing a lesser of two evils or are indifferent. i got the impression that vanessa rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (including america) and i suspect liz isolated herself but had a decent relationship with the jury (compared to vanessa) but that could be wrong

i think steve is that harmless little brother that grew throughout the season. they will respect his game in hindsight. also socially that little brother thing eases the sting on their ego (ian won that year easily). they changed his hair/look and hes talked about growing socially and credited them. people eat that **** up. on top of that he has the super fan thing as well. everyone loves the underdog story

i guess the votes will tell us the real story but this is just what i've gathered from the live show

one thing that is interesting with the cast and twin twist is the that lack of social skills that have succeeded. this season more so than most has been played like a chess game. the flaw in that is the pieces are human. i think steve and vanessa are strategically superior to most or all of the cast but for example steve made some terrible mistakes and assumptions based on his complete lack of social skill. steve actually had no clue of his little brother under the radar persona early in the game and was paranoid. vanessa was his life line and he was clueless. totally unaware and relying on someone whos clearly ruthless. anyone who speaks with the pace, tone, and language vanessa does should immediately ring alarm bells to anyone with social intelligence. steve was isolated and waiting for her filtered version of info as his game and was scared he was on peoples radar in the process. his complete lack of awareness is really weak social skills but when youre in front of a jury i think it will be a strength

vanessa made a million social mistakes in this game but her comp was so weak it only put a bullseye on her back but never cost her the game. the heated and confrontation manner in which vanessa handled things is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way imo. people like that get way less sympathy and everyone in the jury feels like they have a knife in the back

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Old 09-23-2015, 07:13 PM   #577
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has anyone thought about the blind luck and consequences of steve winning HOH with a misclick over johnny mac? crazy

How did Steve win that, I thought his misclick was something like 606 and Johnny Mac guessed 3200 and the answer was 2400. So IIRC, Johnny Mac's answer was closer.

I think Ive got the numbers completely wrong but I could have sworn, whatever the actual numbers were, Johnny Mac was closer but over.

Is the winner the one who is closest to the answer without going over or is my memory completely off?

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Old 09-23-2015, 07:21 PM   #578
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How did Steve win that, I thought his misclick was something like 606 and Johnny Mac guessed 3200 and the answer was 2400. So IIRC, Johnny Mac's answer was closer.

I think Ive got the numbers completely wrong but I could have sworn, whatever the actual numbers were, Johnny Mac was closer but over.

Is the winner the one who is closest to the answer without going over or is my memory completely off?

thx in advance


I don't remember the exact numbers either, but you're right that the winner is the person who is closest without going over, so JMac lost b/c his number was too high. And Steve "misclicked" b/c he actually intended to write down a four digit number which would have been higher than JMac's, but Steve accidentally left off a zero, so his three digit number ended up winning.
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Old 09-23-2015, 07:39 PM   #579
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I don't remember the exact numbers either, but you're right that the winner is the person who is closest without going over, so JMac lost b/c his number was too high. And Steve "misclicked" b/c he actually intended to write down a four digit number which would have been higher than JMac's, but Steve accidentally left off a zero, so his three digit number ended up winning.
yes

basically steves answer was 10 minutes in a guess as to how long an hour long comp was. its what happens when you get a complete spazz of a human being under pressure. i like steve but it is what it is

the whole "without going over" thing makes sense in the price is right but in these head to head situations i think its a tie breaker at best

the result has major consequences on the game imo

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Old 09-23-2015, 10:10 PM   #580
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Steve will evict her. Game over, good run.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:39 PM   #581
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The jury seems like they're very pro-Liz?
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:57 PM   #582
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Oh, just Vanessa was pro-Liz lol ...

Congrats to Steve and James!
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:13 PM   #583
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Rip Vanessa, 3 month bubble
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:22 PM   #584
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I never watch this show but I was waiting for Colbert to come on and I say "Hey, it's Rousso!" Next thing I know she's going on about her playing career and nobody is impressed. Anybody else see that? Holy ****, who cares lady, just laying it out there like that, these people don't care how many millions she's made and they don't want to hear her boast. She was so fake how she went about it too. I'm usually ambivalent if unimpressed with Vanessa but geeze, I think I just joined the anti-Vanessa camp.
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:12 AM   #585
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:25 AM   #586
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Perfect ending to the season.
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:27 AM   #587
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expected... only chance vanessa won was to win HOH and bring liz.... or liz bring vanessa
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:40 AM   #588
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How did Steve win that, I thought his misclick was something like 606 and Johnny Mac guessed 3200 and the answer was 2400. So IIRC, Johnny Mac's answer was closer.

I think Ive got the numbers completely wrong but I could have sworn, whatever the actual numbers were, Johnny Mac was closer but over.

Is the winner the one who is closest to the answer without going over or is my memory completely off?

thx in advance
the question was how many seconds did competition last - he multiplied in his head wrong - was thinking 100 minutes, not 10 minutes.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:50 AM   #589
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I don't know why they keep doing the "fill in the blank" challenge on what people say, it was such an anti-climatic challenge for what basically decides the entire outcome of the game. It would be a stupid challenge even if the stakes weren't so high, it's just really boring TV.
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Old 09-24-2015, 08:29 AM   #590
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I don't know why they keep doing the "fill in the blank" challenge on what people say, it was such an anti-climatic challenge for what basically decides the entire outcome of the game. It would be a stupid challenge even if the stakes weren't so high, it's just really boring TV.
I agree that it is a pretty rough way to essentially decide the winner, but my guess is that they do it for a couple reasons.

- Unlike some of the other hoh comps, they know how long it will take, so they can run it during a live show. This increases suspense and avoids spoilers.

- It allows them to give more face time to some of the jurors, which probably makes the jurors and some fans happy.

- It's enough of a crap shoot that the outcome is actually up in the air. As a producer, you'd hate to have, say, a pure physical competition and then have one player who was clearly the better athlete. At least with last nights comp, it seemed like either Vanessa or Steve could win, so there was some drama.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:17 AM   #591
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I don't know why they keep doing the "fill in the blank" challenge on what people say, it was such an anti-climatic challenge for what basically decides the entire outcome of the game. It would be a stupid challenge even if the stakes weren't so high, it's just really boring TV.
Totally disagree. It's a measure of how the finalists got to know the other houseguests. For example, the key question on which Steve won was Johnny Mac's comment about not missing sticking his hand in other people's nasty mouths. He almost certainly had made a comment in that regard. While Vanessa was consumed with plotting and strategizing, Steve took the time to really get to know the other cast members and it paid off in the end.

Having said that, Vanessa played a great game, and is undoubtedly the greatest Big Brother player ever who didn't win.
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Old 09-24-2015, 10:29 AM   #592
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jesus Vanessa does 90% of the work and gets shafted last minute, BB justice
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:05 AM   #593
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Venessa was smart enought to beat steve, throw hoh #1 to liz and take steve out. She knew this all could have been avoided if she kept Jmac
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Old 09-24-2015, 12:45 PM   #594
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Totally disagree. It's a measure of how the finalists got to know the other houseguests. For example, the key question on which Steve won was Johnny Mac's comment about not missing sticking his hand in other people's nasty mouths. He almost certainly had made a comment in that regard. While Vanessa was consumed with plotting and strategizing, Steve took the time to really get to know the other cast members and it paid off in the end.

Having said that, Vanessa played a great game, and is undoubtedly the greatest Big Brother player ever who didn't win.
I think it's a lot more of a challenge to just see what level the producers are thinking on when coming up with the fake answer than actually knowing what the real answer is. (That is, is the obvious answer a decoy or not) That said, they could high card to determine challenge winners for all I care (I usually skip over them anyway, especially now that most of them are repeats, and some of them really are random), but I find it weird for the amount of effort they put into the prop design of the challenges that they put so much less thought into their gameplay. This is going off on a tangent here, but I think the challenges that allow people to "gang up" on a certain individual are especially stupid, because it makes underdog comebacks almost impossible. At that point, why even have the challenges?
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:09 PM   #595
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It's also worth pointing out that their final score on that challenge (5 to 4) is pretty exactly what you would expect from random guesses to 8 questions with a 50% chance of being right, and that's even with some obvious answers (like Becky's).
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:24 PM   #596
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It's also worth pointing out that their final score on that challenge (5 to 4) is pretty exactly what you would expect from random guesses to 8 questions with a 50% chance of being right, and that's even with some obvious answers (like Becky's).
as pointed out its about knowing your housemates. you can focus on knowing the producers but you can also know the people you lived with for months. they were in the house and never left for months with every single jury member. both vanessa and steve had very weak social skills and the scores reflected that. a tiny bit of common sense and some social skills are what that comp is about. vanessa lost that final comp to an isolated hermit with weak social skills because she didnt know her housemates. while truly good players of the game build relationships vanessa was negotiating strategic deals with business partners

the final contest is fair, relevant, and meets the timing issues of a live show

i think the people impressed with vanessa havent seen or forgot previous seasons. she basically played not to win. players like her put a target on their back or lose in front of the jury if they manage to survive all the heat. yes vanessa is sharper and more strategic than her comp but this is big brother not chess or connect 4. in order to be a great big brother player you need to play big brother well. its a social game

am i the only one that thinks steve also beats vanessa in final 2? i dont think she gets austins vote. she probably gets the twins. maybe shelly. i think steve actually beats her

i also was definitely off on liz's social game. seeing her speak in front of the jury was an eye opener. they showed her socializing with austin and her sister but i didnt realize how full her head was of rocks and how much she had isolated herself. that was hopeless
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Old 09-24-2015, 02:34 PM   #597
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as pointed out its about knowing your housemates. you can focus on knowing the producers but you can also know the people you lived with for months. they were in the house and never left for months with every single jury member. both vanessa and steve had very weak social skills and the scores reflected that. a tiny bit of common sense and some social skills are what that comp is about. vanessa lost that final comp to an isolated hermit with weak social skills because she didnt know her housemates. while truly good players of the game build relationships vanessa was negotiating strategic deals with business partners

the final contest is fair, relevant, and meets the timing issues of a live show

i think the people impressed with vanessa havent seen or forgot previous seasons. she basically played not to win. players like her put a target on their back or lose in front of the jury if they manage to survive all the heat. yes vanessa is sharper and more strategic than her comp but this is big brother not chess or connect 4. in order to be a great big brother player you need to play big brother well. its a social game

am i the only one that thinks steve also beats vanessa in final 2? i dont think she gets austins vote. she probably gets the twins. maybe shelly. i think steve actually beats her

i also was definitely off on liz's social game. seeing her speak in front of the jury was an eye opener. they showed her socializing with austin and her sister but i didnt realize how full her head was of rocks and how much she had isolated herself. that was hopeless
I still disagree with you about the challenge thing because I think challenges are supposed to be an alternative path to victory for people with different skill sets (social, mental, physical) and the underlying strategy of the game is to maximize your winning EV with those 3 factors while not coming across as overly threatening.

I do, however, agree the rest of the content of your post. I feel the "Vanessa GOAT" train was being pushed mostly by the producers (who are biased toward promoting viewership) and Steve (who has a limited perspective and probably caught up in the drama of actually being on the show). She does probably win against Steve in finals though, I don't think the twins would ever vote against her and so she probably only loses Becky's vote. The twins also probably influence Austin to vote their way, and he probably would have voted Vanessa even without that. It would have been like a 7.5-1.5 vote in Vanessa's favor imo.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:26 PM   #598
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I just read an article where an "inside source" from BB states that Vanessa wouldn't win the overall game due to her having her own TV Show that will be called "Poker Face."

The source stated she was fed gameplay info during the season about all of the other players and their strategies. This season was set up where she crushed the other players by manipulating ALL of the voters and their votes, but she would NOT win the big prize due to her receiving her own show?

Has anyone else ever heard of her receiving a show in the future called Poker face?

Thought I'd post this and see what y'all think? Oh yeah, that post I read was made in week one of this BB season.
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Old 09-24-2015, 03:54 PM   #599
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Seems unlikely given she was 1 question away from winning last night.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:32 PM   #600
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bustoooooooo gg vanessa.
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