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Old 09-17-2015, 10:49 AM   #551
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James and Meg both said in their exit interviews that Vanessa played the best game of anyone so I'm sure they would vote for her. Becky and JMac also said if Vanessa made final two, they would vote for her. So that's four votes right there. Shelli votes for Vanessa as well. Julia and Austin vote for liz. I don't think anyone will vote for Steve if he makes it.
all i can say is that i hope you are wrong.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:10 AM   #552
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i know i'm bitter. i was rooting for james or austin to win. vanessa did what she had to do to get this far. i can't hate on that. the way the show was edited made it really hard for me to watch her these past couple weeks. she wasn't this bad in the beginning. she's played a great game and i am a fan of the poker player in vanessa even if ppl still knock her for saying "aggessive call".

even jmac started to mail it in at the end. maybe 90 days with vanessa and steve soul crushed him.
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Old 09-17-2015, 11:28 AM   #553
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taking liz to the finals is a huge mistake. She has guaranteed two votes, and has actually been a dominant player the whole season in terms of comps as well as being at the top of an alliance for the better part of the entire game.

Taking Liz is a must. Yes Liz has two votes for sure. But if she votes out Liz that is three Votes directly for Steve as Liz, Julia, Austin will all be bitter and Vote for Steve.

Her best best is to be their with Steve and hope that Shelly and JMac can get the Jury to see the light.
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Old 09-17-2015, 10:05 PM   #554
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i know i'm bitter. i was rooting for james or austin to win. vanessa did what she had to do to get this far. i can't hate on that. the way the show was edited made it really hard for me to watch her these past couple weeks. she wasn't this bad in the beginning. she's played a great game and i am a fan of the poker player in vanessa even if ppl still knock her for saying "aggessive call".

even jmac started to mail it in at the end. maybe 90 days with vanessa and steve soul crushed him.
jmac mailed it in all season
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Old 09-18-2015, 12:22 AM   #555
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Taking Liz is a must. Yes Liz has two votes for sure. But if she votes out Liz that is three Votes directly for Steve as Liz, Julia, Austin will all be bitter and Vote for Steve.

Her best best is to be their with Steve and hope that Shelly and JMac can get the Jury to see the light.
I don't know if all this talk is among BB fans, or 2+2ers who are only watching because of Vanessa, or a mix of the two.

But, this isn't even a conversation, Vanessa wins versus either of them. Even with guaranteed votes for Liz. If finale night sees Vanessa in final two (whether she wins final HoH or not) I would give anyone 20:1 who wanted to bet against her. She's a lock, this jury isn't nearly as bitter as some in year's past. The only person who was genuinely pissed at her while leaving the house was Austin, and he wasn't voting for her regardless.

BB fans may argue Will, but I think behind Dan, she's the greatest to ever play this game. Her manipulation is unparalleled by anyone who's ever played the game, sans Dan.
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Old 09-18-2015, 12:40 AM   #556
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what you guys mean for mailing?? also, vanessa needs to go with steve to the finals, not liz.... how does one person go into finals??? one last game for final 2 spots or...."?
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Old 09-18-2015, 02:33 AM   #557
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Re: Vanessa Rousso is a houseguest in Big Brother 17

We really need Steve ITT to give us full details as to how the finale works but as I recall from past seasons there is a 3 part competition which the 3 remaining contestants will compete in. The winner of round 1 will advance to round 3. The losers will then battle it out in round 2 and the winner of round 2 will advance to round 3. The two remaining houseguests will battle it out in round 3 to determine a finalist (HOH?) and that player will then select the other finalist (evicting the other player).
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Old 09-18-2015, 02:46 AM   #558
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It will be interesting to see if Austin has any luck campaigning for Liz / against Vanessa in the Jury house...
Not too many like him, so I doubt it.

If Vanessa makes final 2 she wins it.

She voted out 99% of the players and I don't think they will be upset. It IS the game.
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:20 AM   #559
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We really need Steve ITT to give us full details as to how the finale works but as I recall from past seasons there is a 3 part competition which the 3 remaining contestants will compete in. The winner of round 1 will advance to round 3. The losers will then battle it out in round 2 and the winner of round 2 will advance to round 3. The two remaining houseguests will battle it out in round 3 to determine a finalist (HOH?) and that player will then select the other finalist (evicting the other player).
This is correct. The first two parts (usually one endurance competition and one competition that combines a physical challenge with trivia about the season), will be taped before the finale. Part 3 (usually a true/false type quiz) takes place live on finale night and the winner of this part gets to choose their opponent in the final.

After the last eviction, the jurors get to ask a few questions of the final 2, then they cast their votes, and the winner is announced.
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Old 09-18-2015, 05:27 PM   #560
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I don't know if all this talk is among BB fans, or 2+2ers who are only watching because of Vanessa, or a mix of the two.

But, this isn't even a conversation, Vanessa wins versus either of them. Even with guaranteed votes for Liz. If finale night sees Vanessa in final two (whether she wins final HoH or not) I would give anyone 20:1 who wanted to bet against her. She's a lock, this jury isn't nearly as bitter as some in year's past. The only person who was genuinely pissed at her while leaving the house was Austin, and he wasn't voting for her regardless.

BB fans may argue Will, but I think behind Dan, she's the greatest to ever play this game. Her manipulation is unparalleled by anyone who's ever played the game, sans Dan.

I'm a die hard BB fan. I've tried out multiple times and basically love the game theory that is behind BB. I agree she wins either way but I do think if she kicked out Liz she has 3 votes guaranteed against her and you never know of someone like Meg / James give Steve their vote simply because of the type of person she is.

It is possible that we area repeat of season 14 where the best player gets screwed because people are too bitter. I hope not but crazier things have happened
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:12 AM   #561
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At this point, Vanessa needs to win Part 3 of the final HOH or she doesn't have a chance because Steve will take Liz to the finals over Vanessa. So her entire season of playing a great game comes down to one challenge. It's as simple as that. If she gets to the final two with either Steve or Liz, she wins hands down.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:17 AM   #562
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^delete spoiler please
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Old 09-19-2015, 08:14 PM   #563
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I'm a die hard BB fan. I've tried out multiple times and basically love the game theory that is behind BB. I agree she wins either way but I do think if she kicked out Liz she has 3 votes guaranteed against her and you never know of someone like Meg / James give Steve their vote simply because of the type of person she is.

It is possible that we area repeat of season 14 where the best player gets screwed because people are too bitter. I hope not but crazier things have happened
I disagree about this whole "she has 3 guaranteed votes against her," I don't think that's true. As mad as Austin was and as dumb as the twins are, there's no denying who the best player was. And there's no one else who's super bitter against her for it to matter anyway. Becky is the only person who I can see having a true disdain for her, and even she is 99% (if I had to guess) to vote for Vanessa.

Point being, it's not like it's close, and you could justify spite voting against her. This season is a landslide in terms of her outplaying everyone else, and any vote against her can only be seen as spiteful and totally against the spirit of the game.

All that said, win or lose, she's the 2nd best player of all time IMO.
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:31 PM   #564
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whos the best player of all time so i can binge watch that season
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:41 PM   #565
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whos the best player of all time so i can binge watch that season

Dr Will seasons 2 and 7 or Dan G seasons 10 and 14.
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Old 09-19-2015, 09:43 PM   #566
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why were they allowed to come back? guessing they didnt win llol
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Dr Will seasons 2 and 7 or Dan G seasons 10 and 14.
As good as Dr. Will was in his season/s, I think the game has evolved so much now that to be good in the later seasons like Dan has, actually makes him a better player than Dr. Will. And what Vanessa has done, with everyone against her, has been pure genius.
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Dr Will seasons 2 and 7 or Dan G seasons 10 and 14.
Concur.
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Old 09-20-2015, 01:35 AM   #570
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As good as Dr. Will was in his season/s, I think the game has evolved so much now that to be good in the later seasons like Dan has, actually makes him a better player than Dr. Will. And what Vanessa has done, with everyone against her, has been pure genius.
Lol? It's fine to think Dan is better but that is terrible logic. Dan had more info based on 9 seasons being played. Do you think if Will went into the house next year he would play the same way he did in season 2?

Also no one was really against Vanessa while they had power.
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Old 09-20-2015, 12:18 PM   #571
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I stopped watching weeks ago but I read this thread sometimes or check out the BB twitter feed. I hope Vanessa wins. She's a poker player. Maybe that will give other players opportunities in the main stream. Could you imagine Phil Laak in the BB house? Hilarious.

Plus, she's played the game hard. She wasn't trying to have 'showmance' (did I just type that? Yuk.) She didn't hang in the house for several weeks anonymously. She played the game.

Even though I couldn't stand all those different hats - that was a strategy as well. When casual viewers watched and they talked about the show - "Who's Vanessa?" "The one with the hat" It was a great way for her to stand out early.

On the twitter feeds. She's either loved or hated. At the very least she'll be remembered. What if Vanessa wins and CBS will give her own reality show. Lady Ace or Poker Queen. Then the haters will really come out.
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Old 09-22-2015, 03:21 PM   #572
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vanessa is the benefactor of an extremely weak season. her social game is atrocious and this is a social game. just like survivor. if you dont have social game youre playing for second place or bringing someone else to the final 2 with terrible social game

the fact that the house didnt target liz a million evictions ago is absurd. she has a ****ing twin. in a game of trust she has a twin. then she is also austins #1. then she is doing very well in comps. week after week this was allowed to slide by. it was painful to watch. then they convince the house to send home julia instead of her. painful

the winner of last season was the best player of all time. his social game was so on point he pretty much had checkmate half way through the game. he was going to murder everyone in front of the jury and had everyone legit taking him to final 2. it was mastery

vanessa on the other hand has fought really hard to overcome her abysmal social skills. she keeps saying "im alone in this game". true. other people were alone when you voted their friends out but vanessa is alone because her social game is horrendous. as a master in game theory thats basically playing for second place when it pays almost nothing. huh? i dont get it. the only questions i really have is how isolated and annoying was liz throughout? its hard to tell but if she just talked to her sister and austin then her atrocious social game might have matched vanessa

imo steve needs to win in order to make the final 2. he beats both in final 2

vanessa will be taken final 2 by both. vanessa will lose to both but had a very real shot vs julia

liz takes vanessa to final 2. she beats her

imo liz is the favorite to win the show right now

has anyone thought about the blind luck and consequences of steve winning HOH with a misclick over johnny mac? crazy
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Old 09-22-2015, 10:28 PM   #573
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Being that its a social game I would agree the cast seems pretty weak. pretty common for these types shows tho. Ive actually never seen the show before this season (watched like 4 episodes), but vanessa seems to be playing it the best and appears to be the only competent one.
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Old 09-22-2015, 11:55 PM   #574
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If she gets past the first few weeks she will win
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vanessa is the benefactor of an extremely weak season. her social game is atrocious and this is a social game. just like survivor. if you dont have social game youre playing for second place or bringing someone else to the final 2 with terrible social game

the fact that the house didnt target liz a million evictions ago is absurd. she has a ****ing twin. in a game of trust she has a twin. then she is also austins #1. then she is doing very well in comps. week after week this was allowed to slide by. it was painful to watch. then they convince the house to send home julia instead of her. painful

the winner of last season was the best player of all time. his social game was so on point he pretty much had checkmate half way through the game. he was going to murder everyone in front of the jury and had everyone legit taking him to final 2. it was mastery

vanessa on the other hand has fought really hard to overcome her abysmal social skills. she keeps saying "im alone in this game". true. other people were alone when you voted their friends out but vanessa is alone because her social game is horrendous. as a master in game theory thats basically playing for second place when it pays almost nothing. huh? i dont get it. the only questions i really have is how isolated and annoying was liz throughout? its hard to tell but if she just talked to her sister and austin then her atrocious social game might have matched vanessa

imo steve needs to win in order to make the final 2. he beats both in final 2

vanessa will be taken final 2 by both. vanessa will lose to both but had a very real shot vs julia

liz takes vanessa to final 2. she beats her

imo liz is the favorite to win the show right now

has anyone thought about the blind luck and consequences of steve winning HOH with a misclick over johnny mac? crazy
Steve cannot beat Vanessa in final two. Everyone in the jury knows she has played the best game and there isn't one person in the jury who thinks Steve has played a good game. He has ridden on others coattails.

Liz cannot beat Vanessa in the final two because Liz has never once spoken game with anyone in the jury other than her sister and Austin. She let Austin do all of her talking and that will hurt her in the end.

Steve has no intention of taking Vanessa to the final two if he wins round 3 because he's smart enough to know that he can't beat Vanessa. If he took her to the final two it would be the same thing as Cody taking Derrick last year and basically writing Derrick a 500k check.

Vanessa also won't take Steve even though she knows she can beat him. She will take Liz because Liz has been more loyal to her than Steve ever was.

So basically Vanessa has to win round 3 to be in control. Otherwise she goes out in third place with no money.
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