It's okay mrwong we all know u r the smartest man on 2p2, not to mention womanizer

I would be surprised to see her last longer than Austwins group. Austin has alliance with everyone and had difficult time nominating.

vanessa gonna get backdoor'ed this week

mrwong is excited about these developments.

I guarantee this is false.

If Austin has to put someone on the block in place of jmack or steve I would be surprised if he put up vanessa despite what the show has portrayed. the vanessa austin alliance although disfunctional as it maybe is very strong imo. probably more loyal than austin lizz julia. Because the twins would turn on him before each other. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

I say one of the Austwins go out next week unless one of them wins HOH

Austin is definitely more loyal to Liz than Vanessa...regardless of what is in his best interest.

If Steve or Johnnie Mac take themselves off the block it would be a very interesting decision indeed that would likely hinge on who he thinks is most loyal because if Johnnie Mac/Steve stay in the game the smart move will likely be for the other players to join forces with them and go after Austin/Twins.

Nobody likes Vanessa. She's a two-faced liar. Making yourself look like an anti-social loser that nobody wants to be around on national tv is not worth a shot at $500,000.

I like her.

She has two looks, but to call her a liar is just over the top and uncalled for.

Are you being serious right now?

Vanessa is completely delusional, plus she forgets the most important part u need to get voted the winner, a social game is important. She might be taken far as a goat but is drawing dead to win.

Please give me one actual instance where she actually lied to someone's face. Granted she's socially inept at times and definitely paranoid and emotional but a liar -- no. And I guarantee as much as they might not like her, they definitely think she's playing the best game and will vote for her in the end if she makes it.

I can almost guarantee that one of them will go out before she does.

It's truly amazing, however, to watch how smart she is. In endurance challenges, she doesn't stand a chance. But anything that has to do with brains, she blows them all away.

Big Brother is all about lying/manipulating people. The players who are considered the best Big Brother players of all time were the best liars/manipulators, so she wouldn't exactly be making herself look bad on Big Brother by being a "two-faced liar". That is what the game is all about.

She lied repeatedly to Austin about not knowing about the plan for James to throw BOB so Jackie could be HOH and backdoor him.

And I don't know if you count her crazy conspiracy theories that she tries to convince others of, but there have been plenty of those --- Johnny is a clown not a dentist, Austin's picture from home is telling him to "trust the gay person", Meg is a master manipulator, etc. And all of those just from the past week or so.

Yes, and everyone seems to acknowledge this except for Vanessa, who thinks she's playing a completely honest and trustworthy game and if you ever lie to her it's grounds for your eviction.

You got some rose tinted goggles watching Vanessa and liking her. I question your judgment.

Yeah everyone lies in the house and thats just part of the game. When you say you are going to do something and then dont do it thats the definition of lying. But, I should have been more clear, she lies and yet acts as though other people lying is a personal attack on her and then treats people like garbage. She has gone back on her word. She is a hypocrite. It is very telling that Becky didn't want to have anything to do with her. Becky said "her(Vanessa) word is ***** in this game"

If you had the option to go on tv and treat someone the way Vanessa treated Steve in tonights show and then roll a 17sided dice where one number netted you 500k, would you take it? I wouldn't, so yes I'm serious. Money isn't everything. I wouldn't treat someone that way off camera for a billion dollars.

What show are you guys watching where Vanessa isn't a liar???

DarkMoon. She agreed to backdoor Austin then didn't. That's lying. That's just one obvious example there are more. No one will vote for her in the end. (Rather, she wont win in the end) They may think she played a great game to make it far, but when you are so unlikable as she is, her gameplay wont matter to them in the end and they will vote for the other person.

See Russel Hantz.

Yes lying and deception is a part of the game and unlikely you could win without some deception. Its not the lies that make her behavior reprehensible. It's the self-righteous attitude. The outrage at other people's lies. The complete lack of self-awareness. The way she treats other people like garbage.

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Regarding the way Vanessa treated Steve on last night's episode, if you watch the live feeds and saw all that went down, he got off the hook pretty easily. He did a lot of shady stuff all week behind her back and it wasn't shown on the show. Say what you want about Vanessa, but I never hear her repeating any conversations she's had with her alliance to anyone else. Yet, as soon as she tells Austin/twins anything, they go and repeat it to James/Meg/Steve or anyone who will listen. We all forget why Vanessa was on board to backdoor Austin -- it was because he told Jason that he wanted to get Julia out of the house so that he could have Liz all to himself. Vanessa was protecting the twins here because she was so appalled that he could even think that way and that he would go against their own alliance. And when she asked him about it, he lied right to her face. She went back on the plan when two other members of Dark Moon, Shelli and Clay, convinced her that she was wrong and would hurt all of their games if she backdoored Austin.

Steve himself said that he had been treating Vanessa badly. He deserved everything he got and a whole lot more. I hope the little sneaky bastard goes home and LoL at him trying to give dating advice to Zingbot. Puhleeze Steve.

Hi Vanessa

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vanessa knows how to play this game where she can make it to the end but if you get hated on by previous house guests, you will not win.....

really smart of austin to put the two boys up. He knows that if they form an alliance, the twins and austin will go down and lose. What vanessa needs to do now is to put up both austin and a twin up. I really think steve will win this base on his gameplay and past house guests liking him

I'm pretty confident that if Vanessa makes it to the end, she will win. As for Steve, I'm not overly impressed by his game and expect him to be going home soon (next week sounds about right depending which jury member made it back in the house).

I dont know about this TV Game.

What you have to do to win? More skill based or luck?