Entertainment Weekly: Know When to Hold Them (Emotions) -Vanessa's meddling (and tears) land her in trouble, and a wild Steve appears!

I'm talking about someone whose game it was to lose. Others who have blown their game had no chance to win to begin with.

What she should have done is just run the show from the background, like Derek last year. Most of the players, aside from shelli, are easily manipulated and have no idea how to play. Instead she is so gd arrogant, she has to let everybody know how much smarter she is than everybody else, that is what is cost her her game. In poker terms, Vanessa is like a pro playing against a table full of fish and doing nothing but talking strat the whole gd time. Her ego is so big, that letting everybody know how brilliant she is is more important than winning money. Glad to see her leaving Wednesday.

You are so right. When they said that everyone that Vanessa has an altercation with eventually goes home, that says it all. You can't be that obvious.

Never watched it before. No interest in reality television. Was at a relative's last night, it was on, saw her. Woman looked haggard.

That is false.

Just watched Sunday's episode. Did anyone else notice that Becky (the current HoH) say something about working on Black Friday when talking about her plan to evict Vanessa?

Becky is a retail store manager. She's referring to the shopping day after Thanksgiving, not poker if that's what you're thinking.

Not that it would matter but I found

In an 8 person vote to be pretty cringeworthy. Master game theorist.

Developments today:

Just awful gameplay really. It was the exact same mistake the last poker guy from Survivor made where they're so overbearing that they become a target for the emotional AND the strategic players. I don't know why representation of poker players on these reality shows has been so abysmal.

Hey old friend, and good read.

I know I can't stand to hear her bull**** any longer. At first I was embarrassed for her right away, then I thought she pulled it together and looked like a real contender, then she turns to this petty POS who is only getting back what she dished out, and she just can't take it. Who are these crazies who want to go on TV so that they look like idiots and reveal all their emotional shortcomings?

Believe it or not, she just might get lucky and be able to pull herself out of this dilemma this week. If she does, I wish she would wake up and change her game.

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To 99% of America Black Friday is a holiday the Friday after Thanksgiving

Vanessa still playing an amazing game. You go girl!

OMG She survived Double Eviction! Damnit!

I started watching this season biased against her. I played a $215 H.O.R.S.E. tournament on pstars back in 2006 with Vanessa at my table. I remember I beat her with some garbage starting hand and she typed 'lol'. Basically making fun of me for my starting hand selection, and ignoring the fact that she lost a pot because she couldnt put me on that hand... Also she must have low self esteem or something to laugh and ridicule a player after beating her in a hand. So I already knew she was going to come into this game an entitled self-deluded game player that would underestimate her competition. So far she has been even worse than I could have imagined. Can she really be oblivious to how hypocritical and mean she is coming off? She completely disparages Becky for her gameplay basically saying she's an airhead. She thinks her word is good in the house even though she has gone back on it and lied on several occasions. She nearly attacks Becky citing that the game move Becky made is personal. She calls Becky 'cold-hearted' and 'venomous'. What did Becky say or do for Vanessa to take it so personal? Vanessa acts like everything she does is a game move and everything done to her is a personal attack. Except it's not an act, she believes her own lies.

I want to see Johnny Mac, James, or Becky win. Steve or Meg would be alright too. Julia is meh. I feel almost embarassed for Austin. Liz is a b!tch ("Have fun back in your mom's basement" her goodbye message to Jason) and of course I want to see crybaby Vanessa win least of all.

Austin talking about his girlfriend outside the house...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfPe0QMrS14

From Twitter- Vanessa is attempting to rattle Jmac by denying that she told him anything about an 8 person alliance deal, but he isn't having any of it and she is starting to come undone again. She knows that she needs to put a target on him this week so he can go home instead of someone from her "team."

I am totally surprised Steve put up Meg Jackie last night. I know Jackie didn't see her leaving this week and that was a total shocker.

If Liz put up Austin this week, it would be the greatest BB move ever. Does she have it in her?

Liz putting up Austin would be the worst BB move ever.

Do you really think that? I thought she started off strong but now she's gone off the deep end. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the next one eliminated.

Becky ratted out Vanessa last night to Austwins in HOH about how Austin was a previous target.

Vanessa might end up being backdoored if one of the nom's win POV.

If she stays, she loses another vote against her game vs the Austwins. They are picking people off one by one and the numbers are slowly going in their favor to sweep in a couple of weeks time, IMO. People need to rally NOW vs them or it is game over. Put aside their differences and realize they are much stronger a team then they realized.

I'm stunned she managed to dodge that last double elimination, I thought her goose was cooked

Just attempting to play the game puts her ahead of like 80% of the cast this season. Her gameplay is bad, but most everyone else is even worse, and any actually decent player would have been able to easily run away with the season. Big Brother's casting seems to diverge from Survivor in that regard nowadays, but this cast has bad gameplay even by Big Brother standards.

Austin and house gunning for Vanessa after this weeks eviction. Her welcome has been worn out, so she HAS to win HOH next week. I hope she does just so she can finally put up Austin and Liz. Here's to hoping for a one time.