Yep… becuase they run very illegal bank monitored transfers and exchange large amounts of cash. Huge Juice is part of the business for that risk and everyone is dumb and figures it out on the go then get noticed by the bank/Venmo/Irs and stop. Deals are inherently going to be sketch temporary and more like ongoing profit partnerships not verbal contracts as established by law. Carnivore “ did what he had to”and knew this and won 300k doing so in this profit arrangement and is engaging in harassment at times because boohoo she is now not able to honor that or is a “scammer” but again law is the law . I don’t care at all about this person or know her wouldn’t matter anyway

I'd imagine hell has a lot of deceased poker players in it. The burn card there really does and the high rollers play in the Trident series.

Ummm, no, legit agents who are financially solvent don't expect tips. I've personally witnessed one agent (who is posting itt) decline several tips that would total in the six figures range.

If your agent is taking extra rake this way, then go contact that guy imo.

Loooool sounds like complete made up bs. Why would the agent turn down the tip? I can understand not expecting it but to turn down a big tip from a happy costumer sounds like total horse ****. Agents are essentially providing costumer service and I personally know agents who expect and accept tips

Some agents might get tips…

But guys the tip excuse is twisting and dodging paying off the debt.

Why is it when people owe money they desperately act in bad faith to do anything to not pay it?

Agents are supposed to be treating their players like customers.

Imagine a waitress taking a big order and not bringing all the food and then claiming the last order wouldn’t be given because you owe her a large tip and that somehow is fair????

Agents don’t get tips unless you are playing in unraked games.

This agent says thanks but no thanks. I think it's obvious which agent I am talking about. Ask around and find out. The tip money wouldn't affect his life and he values the idea of helping out players and having a great reputation more than he values the extra money.

I just find this whole thread funny because everyone participating in these schemes is inherently scummy and there is a good case to be made that the government should rico the whole thing given how much tax avoidance is clearly going on.

So your saying this noble agent is happy to facilitate illegal gambling transactions for the greater good of poker and doesn’t care about the money. He is taking on personal risk as PayPal, Venmo, etc has been known to confiscate money and casinos have been known to 86 agents for promoting online casinos. The “six figure” tip “wouldn’t affect his life”, he just likes to meet up with poker players and do a bunch of shady risky transactions in his free time just to help them out. Checks out.

I neglected to mention that he's known to help players get funds released that are locked up on the major sites as well. Also refused tips in those instances. I do understand your skepticism, but like I said, ask around -- lots of high stakes players know him and trust him.

This tip trolling is ridiculous. I deposited more with Vanessa than I withdrew. She straight up just stole my money.

I've had about 10 agents. This is the only one that did this. And none of them expected any tip nonsense ever.

Yeah, your thread took a weird turn.

Keep outing her IMO.

“Ask around” is the new “trust me bro”

"just ask Robl", imo.

i still contend that vanessa's real name be added to the OP.

You still made my point that tips are being offered. There are many generous players out there who tip and if any agents gonna get tipped, the lovely mamacita would be at the top of the tipping food chain. She don’t seem like the type of girl who’ll ever turn down a tip so she prolly think OP is a stiff. Not that it makes her right but just sayin that might be her side of the story

This is the crux of the issue though isn't it.

OP could play in legal casinos and avoid this entirely. OP doesn't want to do that. OP wants to play illegally to get that sweet sweet edge.

I too used to smoke marijuana illegally and my little bubble enabled the thought that, despite being illegal, this was completely normal and fine. Unfortunately that isn't how reality works.

Lots of people in the poker bubble seem to think these sites are completely fine. Well, thats not really the reality.

Back to victim blaming then.

What's your point? Maybe I play all the regulated options also. What does any of that have to do with her stealing $17,000?

Of course you have no point and your post is basically off topic garbage.

Agreed. Should be edited.

Vanessa Alvarez Mejias, poker scammer and thief.

What was their agreement? Was it in a contract? Is there a term of service? What protections were in place to prevent this from happening?

Doesn't sound like a victim to me.

How did she steal 17000 when you have no contract

You are lucky you got any money at all. You literally threw money into a blackhole and somehow got something out of it.

Stick with the regulated options if you want protection

lmao@tipping agents in these sketch ass high rake games

No pointing out that gambling illegally than complaining that the person who helps you do this is a criminal is rather funny. They knew she was a criminal when they gave her money as the whole point of giving her money was to commit a crime. They certainly seem to have no problems with them making money from illegal acts and are shocked that their partner sees them as a mark just as they saw those they played as marks. She is still a crook but OP isn't a vestal virgin in this.

Holy **** someone who gets it.

Op is perfectly willing to skirt laws and regulations when it financially benefits him but calls foul when it blows up in his face a little

So...what is it you guys would like to see? That OP just takes the L and doesn't tell anyone? Seems like a win for scammers.