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11-14-2023 , 12:39 PM

#501

coordi

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Live 5/10 can be mid or high stakes. Flat 5/10 with 1k buy in is mid stakes. 5/10/20/50 with 10k buy in is high stakes. etc

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11-14-2023 , 02:17 PM

#502

Dubnjoy000

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Originally Posted by coordi

Live 5/10 can be mid or high stakes. Flat 5/10 with 1k buy in is mid stakes. 5/10/20/50 with 10k buy in is high stakes. etc

Right. I also played a 1-2 game which was uncapped BI, a player buying in for 25k/peeps having 1000s of bbs in front of them. Except an exception does not make up the rule.

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11-14-2023 , 02:19 PM

#503

borg23

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Originally Posted by rickroll

wait what, i thought you were trolling, there is an adam22 account

isn't diebitter some old german dude?

and yeah, i agree with you that you don't enter high stakes until 25/50 - i do think you could make an argument that 2-5 is mid stakes simply because there's usually a pretty large skill gap of the regs in 1-2 vs 2-5 since you can't really make any kind of living playing 1-2 but you could playing 2-5

it was my understanding that dgaf was a 2/5 & 5/10 player so was really surprised to hear him called a high stakes guy so was trying to understand if i misunderstood dgaf or had a fundamental different point of view of what is considered high stakes

He was playing a lot of 10/20/40+ nl back in the day

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11-15-2023 , 05:36 AM

#504

Masq

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I've got no idea what any of the above posts have to do with this thread.

What is happening with the debt and where is the OF?

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11-15-2023 , 11:25 AM

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ALLNITSGOBROKE

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Originally Posted by Masq

I've got no idea what any of the above posts have to do with this thread.

What is happening with the debt and where is the OF?

+1. Anyone see her on the live scene lately? If she's playing live donkaments that consist of buyins of a few hundo, sadly OP's money is long gone and his chances of getting paid are slim to none.

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11-18-2023 , 03:55 PM

#506

darkcube

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Originally Posted by ALLNITSGOBROKE

+1. Anyone see her on the live scene lately? If she's playing live donkaments that consist of buyins of a few hundo, sadly OP's money is long gone and his chances of getting paid are slim to none.

according to her instagram, she's running a private 5/5 NL game out of a nice house somewhere in the arts district

i got an invite but with $15/hand rake, and the eternal question of "is this dealer in a home game cold decking people" i gotta pass

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11-18-2023 , 04:30 PM

#507

Polarbear1955

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Originally Posted by darkcube

At $15 a hand you are either in on the collusion or a fish.

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11-19-2023 , 12:13 AM

#508

kerr

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I still can’t get over how $17k for a poker player is something that would be paid back in instalments rather than in one lump sum and in a timely manner.

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11-19-2023 , 12:21 AM

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rickroll

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Originally Posted by kerr

I still can’t get over how $17k for a poker player is something that would be paid back in instalments rather than in one lump sum and in a timely manner.

i was once owed 12k and received a $20 payment and of course you take it because, welll, it's progress

happens a lot

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11-19-2023 , 12:30 AM

#510

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Originally Posted by kerr

It's not at all surprising that $17k for a scammer is something that would be paid back in instalments rather than in one lump sum and in a timely manner.

fixed your post.

also, not all poker players are wealthy. wait until you find out that some people that play poker are losing players!

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11-19-2023 , 03:29 PM

#511

coordi

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I still can’t get over how $17k for a poker player is something that would be paid back in instalments rather than in one lump sum and in a timely manner.

17k is bigger than 99% of poker players bankrolls

The real question is how many poker players have a net worth <17k

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11-19-2023 , 04:00 PM

#512

Fore

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

5/10+

LOL

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11-19-2023 , 04:01 PM

#513

Fore

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Originally Posted by rickroll

so then let me get this straight

1-2 is low stakes

2-5 is medium

5-10 and 50/100 are both high stakes?

i would think that 5-10 is firmly in medium stakes, the real question is 2-5 low stakes or medium

IMO 5-10 is the bottom of mid stakes. 2-5 is not mid.

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11-19-2023 , 04:14 PM

#514

Fore

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Originally Posted by coordi

Live 5/10 can be mid or high stakes. Flat 5/10 with 1k buy in is mid stakes. 5/10/20/50 with 10k buy in is high stakes. etc

But the latter is not 5-10. Where do you find 5-10-20-50 with 10K buyin in public games? It is basically a 25-50 game which was already called hi stakes.

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11-19-2023 , 04:16 PM

#515

Fore

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Originally Posted by coordi

17k is bigger than 99% of poker players bankrolls

The real question is how many poker players have a net worth <17k

Probably bigger than 80-90% of peoples life roll.

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11-19-2023 , 04:26 PM

#516

Fore

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Originally Posted by JohnnyDough

Deleted is obviously worse than locked in terms of censorship but locking a thread is also a form of censorship as it ends the discussion and disallows anyone from contributing new relevant information.

The fact that threads frequently get locked supports my argument that forumers *can* indeed request to have their threads censored to some degree.

FWIW, the infamous DGAF thread was deleted not locked. I have also seen other threads as well as posts get deleted upon the OP’s request so it’s not far fetched for me to think this thread may also get deleted or locked.

Most of the thread locks are not by request. Quite the opposite; they are locked involuntarily due to issues with the thread. But I am not sure why you raise a strawman. I never said someone could not get a thread locked. You had equated deleting and locking. They are not even close

Even locking a thread does not definitively end the discussion. Screen shots, copy, etc are available. Resurrecting the topic might have repercussions, like temp or perma ban, but those are different topics.

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11-20-2023 , 05:44 AM

#517

Masq

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Originally Posted by kerr

I still can’t get over how $17k for a poker player is something that would be paid back in instalments rather than in one lump sum and in a timely manner.

In the real world, $17k is a lot of money!

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11-20-2023 , 05:57 AM

#518

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Originally Posted by Masq

In the real world, $17k is a lot of money!

In the poker world $17k is a lot of money esp these days. Imagine the scenario that you play in a fairly tight knit group and the biggest fish in the game asks you to borrow $17k to stay in action, are you willing to do it if the borrower isn't a hot girl you want to ****? 999/1000 posters in this thread aren't lending the money which means IT'S A LOT OF ****ING MONEY!! And even for that 1 person it's a lot of money they just really want to **** and will make a thread about it on 2p2 later if they don't get paid

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11-20-2023 , 11:15 AM

#519

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Originally Posted by LucidDream

this is how the real world works, but guys have girlfriends and fiances that steal from them instead

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01-03-2024 , 05:57 PM

#520

Playlive

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Bump. Pretty sure I saw her at Orleans last night playing NL. She was in street clothes and not done up as normal but I am pretty sure it was her.

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01-03-2024 , 06:04 PM

#521

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Originally Posted by Playlive

Bump. Pretty sure I saw her at Orleans last night playing NL. She was in street clothes and not done up as normal but I am pretty sure it was her.

Confirmed

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01-03-2024 , 07:12 PM

#522

MrFabulous

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Any update here? Did she pay? In naturals? Or what is going on OP?

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01-04-2024 , 01:58 AM

#523

Playlive

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Originally Posted by Tuma

Confirmed

Thanks I was pretty sure it was her. Didn't see how she was doing though she looked pissed about something. She should pay the money she owes.

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01-04-2024 , 08:38 PM

#524

darkcube

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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955

At $15 a hand you are either in on the collusion or a fish.

i played on a cruise ship last year where the rake was 10% up to $25 max with no bonuses/jackpots/etc and the players were so unbelievably spewy and bad, it was still a profitable trip.

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01-04-2024 , 08:59 PM

#525

Dan_Druff

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Originally Posted by darkcube

i played on a cruise ship last year where the rake was 10% up to $25 max with no bonuses/jackpots/etc and the players were so unbelievably spewy and bad, it was still a profitable trip.

Yup, played a game just like that on a cruise. Exact same awful 10%/$25 rake structure, and horrendously bad opponents. Was 7-handed. Me, one below-average but not awful guy, and 5 outright huge fish.

I busted all 6 of them. The biggest winner was.... the rake! I still won, but I couldn't believe how busting 6 players still made me second to the rake as far as profit.

Still can't figure out if these type of games are profitable or not long term for a good/decent player.

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