the point was that often times the villian in question was really irresponsible and made terrible financial decisions - not that they intended to steal/scam from the get go - which is often why people do usually pay off debts

given that she hasn't deleted her accounts and intends to remain an influencer and that she's made some payments would indicate there is a desire to make it right and it's not a lost cause.


and from a game theory perspective, OP has to assume this to be the case

if she planned on stealing/scamming from the start he's never seeing any money

if she didn't plan on stealing/scamming and just worked out that way then he will see money quite often

if OP ignores this, so will she and he'll never get paid

if OP pushes too far, she'll see no further reputation hit/downside in not paying and more importantly, they'll always do some mental gymnastics to paint OP as the harassing villain who doesn't deserve to be paid

think about when people tell you about their exes/divorces etc - the overwhelming majority of the time the person you hear from paints the other side as the reason it fell apart and it's often genuine - it's a natural human condition (and arguably evolutionarily prudent) to bias ourselves against or enemies and blame everything on them even when surely they can't be the case every time as both sides usually genuinely feel this way

it's very difficult to collect a debt - you need to walk a tightrope of reminding/pressuring without pushing it beyond repair

i have faith op will get paid if he keeps up the pressure but it'll be a long and slow process and a lot of those chirping here have clearly never been owed large sums before

Ya it’s def a tight rope when collecting..

People get weird and will use any excuse not to pay you.

The craziest is when people that owe you then get mad at you for collecting like you’re hurting them so bad. All the while not acknowledging they did it all to themselves. It always comes down to just being the type of person that owns their actions.

These people are taking an app game so yea they should have the ****ing money.

She wasn't exactly in the hospital. She's constantly parading around Vegas with her tits out dumping in poker.

+1000. I was doin one of her friends for awhile last year and from what she said of her she's definitely not to be trusted with money be it with poker or anything else

again, i'm not arguing this wasn't due to her own negligence and it could have happened to anyone

i'm saying that as poorly as she may have managed it, it doesn't appear as if she was planning on stealing and that means everything in terms of "is there a non-zero chance I can get paid back"

This post is far from what happened. I never tried to take this thread down. Also interesting that you purposely exaggerated all the numbers in a specific way to try to make your point.

i won't take the time to look it up but am quite certain you said you'll be requesting the thread to be taken down once the payment have been made in full... which is obviously doing the community an enormous disservice and really ****ed up. this lady and her shenanigans need to be easily searchable for all of her future victims' protection.

Why would him asking for the thread to be taken down be a disservice to the community?

I agree it would be bad if the thread was actually deleted but that's usually not going to happen no matter if someone asks for it or not. The thread title was updated once to reflect that payments are in progress and might be updated again if OP is paid in full.

Naked pics for sale.

Any updates OP? You have until the end of today to make some real progress.


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He’s using the community for exposure to get paid but will remove the thread once he’s paid leaving others open to be scammed by Vanessa in the future

How does he remove the thread? Sorry, I still don't get it.

He can ask the thread to be deleted since he is the OP, no?

Even if he wanted to, he would still have to go through a Mod, no???

Well, I already stated that we're not going to delete the thread. We don't usually delete threads unless there's a very good reason for it.

age old question? money that isn't yours shouldn't be spent. even calling it a "question" is ethically and laughably dubious.

i'm not a mod so i don't know the rules as well as you. i obviously thought it was a possibility to have it removed.
the zima scam thread was edited to protect the scammer, so it is not that crazy to think something similar could happen again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohATqljs73E

The Zima thread still exists though. While it got heavily edited, everyone looking for it around here can find out he is a scammer. That situation also involved half a million dollars.

FWIW, I would never rule out a thread getting edited. I just said we're not going to delete it unless something extraordinary happens. There are hundreds (or thousands?) of scammer threads on 2+2.

What happens at the end of today?

Well, I didn’t see where you said that. But I have seen many threads deleted or locked in the past upon OP’s request. One example is the DGAF thread.

OP will turn back into a pumpkin

HUGE difference between locked and deleted. Locked thread is still there for all to see and read. Nothing becomes hidden or taken away.

So mixing locking threads with deleting threads is not a legitimate argument.

Deleted is obviously worse than locked in terms of censorship but locking a thread is also a form of censorship as it ends the discussion and disallows anyone from contributing new relevant information.

The fact that threads frequently get locked supports my argument that forumers *can* indeed request to have their threads censored to some degree.

FWIW, the infamous DGAF thread was deleted not locked. I have also seen other threads as well as posts get deleted upon the OP’s request so it’s not far fetched for me to think this thread may also get deleted or locked.

what was controversial about the dgaf thread?