So wait...
Did absolute really take the people who exposed PotRipper, and fly them down to Central America to bang hispanic hookers?

If this is the case, i have a list of about 20-30 confirmed super users, who i will expose one hooker filled week at a time.

Does anyone know the stakes level of the cheating at UB and AP?

Cash games, limit, tournaments?

Could they see hole cards, influence the cards dealt, etc....

annie duke is having an affair with phil helmuth ldo

which is that, beat, brag or variance?

I didn't like UB and AP before I found out about there cheating and scandolous ways.So it was real easy to delete my accounts.Cheaters suck!

who is gnat?

Could see hole cards in any game via an observer (superuser) account. I don't think there was any influence on the outcome of cards.

oh the things i would do to get a superuser account

I am currently playing on AP and not having any problems, I would encourage other players to give it a shot- i think they are pretty legitimate now + they have Rakeback!

very good post, we all know this will never tell us the truth about what really happened, therefore AP/UB will never be forgiven by most of us. not to mention they deleted most of their HHs and definitely will never refund many of the victims, who knows they may have stole over $10Million, most likely they were doing it since day 1. BOYCOTT THEM FOR LIFE!

i hear a lot of morans say they play UB/AP because its so much easier money than FTP and PokerStars. this may be true, however the people who make these comments and play there because of it not only show their true moral character, but they also show their ignorance imo.

moral character:
The concept of character can imply a variety of attributes including the existence or lack of virtues such as integrity, courage, fortitude, honesty, or loyalty or of good behaviors or habits.

anyone who contributes rake to those criminals is in the LACKING group imo.

ignorance:
guess what people, there are more than 3 sites to choose from. anyone who thinks AP/UB is the easiest money on the internet is very ignorant.

this sounds just like your standard PR message, crisis management basic class.

I really don't care about morality because right now whats most important to me is that more fish are attracted to the game. every time we publicize these horror stories it confirms fishes fears that the online games are rigged.

while i think its terrible what happened at AP/UB i think that now that it has been exposed it is unlikely that they are going to allow the perpetrator to continue doing what he is doing though of course i don't know for sure but I still have a little bit of faith in this industry.

Its really hard to have any faith in these firms when nobody is facing criminal charges.

Such baloney.

The NASD has 2,000 employees and a budget of $500 million...
And I would guess they might catch 10% of cheating in the US stock market...
But everyone is on their toes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASD

Here we have the Kahnawake Dudes...
With open conflict of interest between "regulating" and "shoving money in pocket"...
And no publicly known "resources" to do anything at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahnawake

This optimism sounds a bit like the old "Why would online sites cheat their players? Since they make truck-loads of money off the rake, why would they risk killing the Golden Goose? It's not in their best interest to cheat their players."

Well yeah, in principle the "company" may not have as much motivation to cheat their clients, but companies are run buy people and some people are greedy scum. Some poor, lowly Costa Rican security dept. or programmer dude will not be able to resist the allure of easy money! Since the company is vulnerable to scandal and would not want the cheating exposed, it's practically a free roll for the "superuser."

The new breed of superusers will be smarter about their stats and win rates. They will be harder to spot with HH's next time because they know some players are watching them.

There is an analogy in the B&M casino. The casino has to be vigilant of dealers and pit bosses who succumb to the temptation of cheating schemes. The difference is that those schemes cheat the house. Poker is different, and online poker has so much technology at work that we won't ever be sure how vulnerable or safe we really are.

Who will watch the watchers?

Waiting for the next shoe to drop. P*'s, FTP next? Not if, when?

Here's an idea. How about we create our own online poker industry here in the states and regulate it! FTW

i m sure the traffic at UB didnt change at all after the cheating story. i dont know about AP.

QFT
Agree 150%

Hi AP.

ignorance:
guess what people, there are more than 3 sites to choose from. anyone who thinks AP/UB is the easiest money on the internet is very ignorant. Quit playing there suckers.