lol

Go Knights!

You said something on Twitter the day of that I didnt get either.

Online poker in the US is legal NOW. . This ruling has 0 effect.

The last few years, large media outlets like ESPN have been actively reporting on betting lines. Right out in the open.

I even got into a discussion with Scott Van Pelt of ESPN about it: https://twitter.com/notthefakeSVP/st...98713480024064

Scott Van Pelt has a "Bad Beat" segment about Sports Bets that lose in the last minutes/some weird way. I can only imagine they implemented this segment based on what you have brought forth here.

Besides NV and DE that take bets now, and knowing NJ will by end of year, here is a realistic line on number of other states to take bets by end of:

end of Jan 2019 - 1.5
end of Jan 2020 - 3 more

Did this just happen again? TB just scored an empty netter with 1 sec left. 4-2 final

This time I had TB so no big deal. lol

A few days ago was explaining to a friend how how the top-few Tribes in CA feel about sports betting (for their own bottom line) will be determinative of the California Legislature's approach.

Literally <1 hour later this article dropped. Pechanga (one of the biggest $$ political contributors in the State) is on board, and an Assembly member is moving to amend the Cali Constitution to legalize sports betting. Probably has a better chance of passing than iPoker.

http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article211091249.html

Joe,

I'll take the over on Jan 2019, if you will grade "take bets" to include any lottery selling bets on the SuperBowl for Feb, 2019.

I'll take the over on Jan 2020..... if you mean total of 3 more, in addition to NV, Del and NJ ....

Just curious, where under Federal law or current State compacts are Tribes authorized to provide sports-betting ?

It's not a card game or bingo or anything else arguably Class II gaming, authorized under the IGRA is it ? Maybe parlay cards ????

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE...e25-chap29.pdf

Why all the talk ITT about online poker? Online poker is already legal in the US (see Global Poker). Apparently all a site has to do is say, "Something something sweepstakes" and poof! It's a legal poker site. Why is Global the only site doing that?

I just hope sports donks visit the poker tables while they're at the casino placing their bets. Better yet, I hope the lines get softer when every donk with a sports opinion starts betting at official places instead of underground bookies. Could be a new golden age of sports betting if states don't screw it up by being too greedy and charging extra vig.

someone tell my bank and credit card companies poker in the u.s is legal...woot

I think because they think it’s illegal and are probably hoping that when it gets “regulated” they will be the good actors

Rather than gamble now and offer it just to be shunned later when the legal gates open

that's interesting. I was wondering how or even if the tribes would try to fight all the major sports leagues. I'd guess they know better so are trying to partner up somehow, just a guess.

They will just hire a third party like Cantor Gaming or William Hill to do it for them and rake the profits.

Has Cantor Gaming (CG Technologies) shown profits ? I know they've had reveue sharing deals with Las Vegas casinos, but have those been profitable for either CG or the casinos ?

Any links to sources would b appreciated

Someone tell PayPal that Global Poker is illegal in the US, and someone tell your bank that PayPal is a facilitator of illegal gambling.

Fair point. In the meantime though, Global already exists, so to everyone wondering about sports betting affecting online poker, why not just play on Global? Are people holding out for Pokerstars as if PS is going to bring the boom back (by increasing rake or something)? I think a lot of people still don't even know about Global or that it's legal, otherwise it would be more popular, but its popularity is growing. I'm pretty sure it's softer than the big international sites anyway.

I could be wrong, but isn’t global not random in terms of “RNG” like the cards are all predetermined ?

Idk. Something about them makes me super skeptical.

I really believe all US options are garbage at this point.
I hope party poker and stars comes back asap

Nah, the RNG is legit. The whole PayPal+Poker=Doom scenario is more likely than anything else to work out badly. I play there for microstakes lols because ACR. I definitely need to get a roll on Ignition though.

I'm not so sure that the federal government has the authority to regulate conduct that occurs wholly within a state. The three dissenters believe that Congress has that power. Justice Thomas does not so believe (read his concurring opinion). The majority does not analyze the issue and the line people are latching onto is not a binding holding.

Do I think that the court would overturn a federal statute? I doubt they would. But the court cannot carve out a Nevada exception to allow business as usual there but put different requirements on the other states. So a federal law seems either not in the offing or not especially useful.

I think the federal government should and would have the authority to regulate bets placed on contests taking place outside the state, or involving competitors from outside the state, and possibly if the in-state teams are members of a league with other teams outside the state.

It's an interesting legal question.

There is (currently) no business nexus between the contest and the wager. If the leagues got a piece, then it's different. But I expect that the leagues have a significant interest in erecting a firewall between the gamblers and the contests. If that firewall exists, defining the act of wagering as interstate commerce becomes a real question.

That said, the courts usually strain to find most commerce to be interstate.

The leagues are trying to get paid a so-called "integrity fee". Far from a building any "firewall", they are looking for around 1% of the wagering handle.

Congress has already regulated interstate wagering in the Wire Act, 18 USC Sec 1084 (b):

"Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the transmission in interstate ... commerce of information ... assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on a sporting event or contest from a State ... where betting on that sporting event or contest is legal into a State ... in which such betting is legal."

So, while it is true that the language last week regarding "Congress can regulate directly" is dicta, it is pretty strong.

If some wagering activity were deemed to "affect interstate commerce", that would suffice, even if that wagering were wholly between two intrastate parties.

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They sure can.

Gonzalez v. Raich, 545 US 1. The activity there was only occurring in a random dudes backyard.

Why did online sportsbetting get banned in the first place?

Why are the leagues even entitled to a cut?

Does it apply to all sporting events or just the big leagues ?

this **** seems ******ed af