My 1st experience with this was when I had my pokermaster affiliate scam me for 5 figs and I applied to a cash game stable and was accepted then 2 days later I was rejected because I lived in the states. I figured it must be an issue with payouts or something but the stable refused to give me a reason. Living in San Diego I offered to rent a place in Baja to which I never received a response.

I later learned that it is a joke in the staking business that US players are just not as good as EU players or SA players. I could understand that to an extent since PS has the toughest games and lineups. Then the pokermaster app became notably more difficult than it was a year ago and I later learned that was because many of the hu regs from stars had moved over there.

Then just recently the US Pppoker club i play at had decided to leave the union it was in. I asked the club manager why he said of the 12 clubs in this union there are 3 that are up a ton of money while the other 8 are down a bunch one being down as much as 1.4 million. He explained that the one thing that is different about those 4 clubs is they were letting ROW stables and other pros in with no red d for how it would affect the quality of the games. It turns out those 4 have a very large number of Eastern EU and Russian players. ACR is similar in that its rare to see US players playing any higher than plo25 or 25nl. While mid and high stakes are all Eastern EU Russia and Nordic countries, w the exception of the 50/100 plo that has 2 US players. It did make me wonder if botting could be a contributor but it seems unlikely that one could run a bot on an app or emulator though i could be mistaken.

So I am curious to hear opinions as to what the main cause of this difference in skill is? Is it just that US players don't have access to the hardest games on stars? Or is it something i haven't mentioned? Or is it just a inaccurate stereotype?

Sorry wrote in hurry forgot paragraphs.

if entry level work paid $300 a month you'd become better at poker real fast too

because ROW doesnt have rec. players with money. US fish may buy into 2/5 and up for entertainment but i doubt the rest of you sorry dogs are contributing any action above your skill level.

its the same thing while playing chess on apps , you hear the talk about how dumb americans are all the while these euros are getting wrecked 7 games in a row.

The thing is that the players that look to play on US sites etc. won't be recreational players but regs.
In Europe either you have ring fanced markets if you want to play legally or live games and so on. So the people that look to play US facing sites won't be people donating for the most part.
And also there is this thing with that other markets after Black Friday dried up while USA is still healthy. Poker is still super popular there and quite a few recreational players there too.

Russians in particular, are super motivated to win. Losing is not acceptable, period.

Even if the relative cost of living being much lower in ROW was not the case, ROW just studies more, plays more, cares more, wins more.

Plus, in the USA, if you have the faculty to be a winning poker player, you should be doing something else, and making a salary way higher than what poker has to offer.

The average online poker player plays micro stakes (these days maybe 25 and below, as global). The average eastern one, I guess, plays 10 and below (the USA 50 and below). The average age is about 40 (a big part with a college degree, playing micros on average).

I played at the US sites already when I started playing but I have never been a "rec" player. With an esports background.

Globally, it is in the normal salaries like 300 vs. 3k (and up) that is like $2 vs. $20 with a difference in softness or toughness when those pools are mixed.

For a Western, it would be natural to start at a level like 25, but having a mixed pool, it is not really so. In the western segregated sites, it is not natural to spend years playing at below 25, as the games are ridiculous otherwise.

At one Western national site, I entered PLO5, that was/is the lowest, was playing PLO10 after two days and concluded that they are the worst players I have ever seen, even considering the Cake games of the past (PLO10 as the Cake would be half or more full of up to mega fish).

Compare that to Prima/Microgaming (like a Nordic network) where I (a couple of years ago) never played but PLO2 and 4 (for two weeks or so), as it was nothing like the below or up to PLO25 games that I had played at most places. Not exactly the Western network I am talking about.

Winning Poker Network (open for about all) was more to my liking but nothing to write home about at micro levels compared to all the places where I can play, so I was gone after a couple of months. But the USA players, among some others, add a good element here, but not as good as it can be because of the other aspect. Might be worth considering at higher levels, but one needs to be aware of the negative reviews about the WPN (like bots)

The reg players (and in cases, the bots) of the ROW (Eastern and Western) make the Wild sites tougher no matter what level they play and how much or little experience they have.

Start 3 years later than everyone else / only face solid competition after becoming a full time pro and relocating + have better job prospects for stem degrees leading to fewer potentially skilled players taking it seriously ect..

in the end who cares, WE WENT TO DA MOON

also before someone comes in screaming about my job prospect comment, i just mean that a solid engineering/law/medical degree will earn you like 3-4x in the states while living expenses are only slightly higher depending on where you live, not that our job market is necessarily better overall

OP

Why the **** would you want to join a stable anyways.

America has more rec players cause they have more money. A lot more American play for entertainment compare to row that’s why not a lot of them are good.

As an American player, I would say a lot of these things said aren't true.

The things that said that were true;
1) Americans historically have more money to spend, therefore more people are playing poker recreationally.

2) American's have this mentality that volume is key.. as is the fact for a lot of "sports" or "activities". Almost all my friends under 30, who play poker, don't put in an hour a day on average for studying.. they all play MTT's full-time or cash and they always complain about variance. You can do the math yourself.

3) When you're playing to survive versus playing for that new pair of shoes.. your approach and way you play is much different.

Poker was good before black friday

in conclusion= USA#1

usa has a bad education system, struggles against world at thought contests.

bryn kenney gives hope though. he's become the best american hold'em player from the online generation.

and still yet all the best players are from the usa.

I don't know, on ACR at the game I usually play (O8), most of the best players are from the US.

Saying things doesn't make them true.

I've also noticed that the American football world champion always seems to be a team from the US.

clearly someones never heard of PHIL HELLMUTH!

has something changed , no more russian bots and euro nits filling the tables ?

Nah, just thought it was kind of a silly example to use of proof of anything, and bonus humour points for using the A(merica's)CR skin in particular, so I was having a little fun with it. It's of course in no way equivalent to my example, which was simply ridiculous.

Besides, everyone knows the Super Bowl winner is actually the Multiverse Champion.

So is that in your eyes an example of a good player....?

Not sure what you're saying here, the analogy doesn't make sense, Players from all over the world are welcome on WPN. I play with regulars from Great Britain, Russia, Canada, Costa Rica, Easter European countries, some are competent, but overall the majority of better players and a couple of the biggest winners are from the USA (O/8 games)

(before I saw your subsequent comment0

Got scammed for 20k usd needed stake.