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Unsettled OFC debts of Samantha Abernathy, Joshua Beckley and other Poker Players Unsettled OFC debts of Samantha Abernathy, Joshua Beckley and other Poker Players

07-15-2018 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I've reread the last sentence a few times and still can't make sense of it. I think you must have meant something other than hearsay. And isn't saying that people who owe you money should pay you just...common sense?
hearsay
ˈhɪəseɪ/
noun
information received from other people which cannot be substantiated; rumour.

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Originally Posted by relaxursoul

Samantha Abernathy- 8k+5k bank
Samantha lost 8k then we made a deal where 50% of any further losses would go to a special bank that would be used to play any player she gets me and she would get 50% of those profits. After the cheating allegations where confronted publicly she did not feel comfortable doing that. To simplify the matter pertaining to the bank, she can keep 75% of the bank and donate 25% of it. I did offer free private OFC videocoaching to Samantha as evidence of my thought process but she never took it and stopped replying to me.

Not sure whats confusing about it. Information has been spread that OP was cheating which can't be substantiated. People are using that excuse to withhold payment. As others have said your word is everything in the gambling word so avoiding a debt due to hearsay is bad form.

Enjoy your holiday.

Last edited by U shove i call; 07-15-2018 at 10:40 PM.
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07-16-2018 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
hearsay
ˈhɪəseɪ/
noun
information received from other people which cannot be substantiated; rumour.

Not sure whats confusing about it. Information has been spread that OP was cheating which can't be substantiated. People are using that excuse to withhold payment. As others have said your word is everything in the gambling word so avoiding a debt due to hearsay is bad form.
Yeah, rereading once again it does indeed make sense. I'd argue for a little different wording, but it's mostly (maybe entirely) on me, sorry.

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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Enjoy your holiday.
Thanks!
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07-16-2018 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatsUpGuys
Thanks for pointing that out. I publically apoligise to Macbound.
I have zero sympathy for OP now

You know whats fishy is him trying to get X and X sent to charity as if that would make them more likely to pay. If they paid you the day after the game was played you wouldnt of donated these % to charities. IF you truly thought you were owed 8k from Sam, you wouldnt just "be happy" with a lower amount.
If you are right you shouldnt be happy with anything less than the 8k
That may be true in a perfect universe but we live in the real world. His ev right now (pre thread) to collect is close to zero. Accepting a lower amount may, in his opinion, be the better option than carrying a theoretical 8k debt with him to the grave.

I have a former friend that owes me a relatively tiny amount of money and has for over a year. I'd be happier with 50% of it and never talking to him again than the reality which is that I will receive 0% and never talk to him again.
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07-16-2018 , 10:32 PM
Even though a lot of people will cry about how it "isnt reasonable", the morale of this story is that if you offer unsecured debt you are going to end up getting screwed a decent amount of the time. It seems very likely that the OP crushed Natasha fair and square, she cried to Jason, and he felt obligated to push her story. Scummy, but understandable - whether he was deluded enough to believe her or he just didn't want to get his balls busted forever over some rando. OP didn't help his case when broadcasted his autism and made convoluted posts or by offering these strangely structured deals in order to get action. At the end of the day, what matters is the OP offered to play live and Mercier refused (his ridiculous conditions constitute a refusal). If Mercier was smart he should have placated his wife and told her he would tell him to **** off, while secretly contacting him and settling her debt on the condition that he remain silent about it.
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07-17-2018 , 12:36 AM
I have seen OFC listed sometimes on BRAVO, how is this played cash? Do you need enough chips on the tables to cover a 50 point hand loss?
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07-17-2018 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by e1cnr
I have seen OFC listed sometimes on BRAVO, how is this played cash? Do you need enough chips on the tables to cover a 50 point hand loss?
When I have seen it played live, the players had around 100 points worth of chips on the table and there was a gentleman's agreement to pay outstanding amounts if needed. Not sure how normal that is, I am a complete fish in OFC.
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07-18-2018 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by relaxursoul
As a lot of people on this forum already know, about a year and a half ago Jason Mercier accused and spread false information of me after Natasha shared with him her strong opinion of me cheating. Mercier told dozens of players about it, which not only lead to me not being able to get action, but also to very problematic situations where some of the players I was beating did not want to settle. Evidence of cheating was never found, however, situations where Natasha had falsely accused another player to avoid paying was found. The following poker players have a unique opportunity to not only settle with me but to do it in a charitable way as I am requesting 90% of what they owe to be donated to any of the following charitable organizations and the remaining 10% to be settled with me. Not only will this help resolve the situation, but will also have a humanitarian cause. In the previous post I made ‘Jason Mercier spreads unfounded cheating accusations’ some members brought up the possibility of a lawsuit. The possibility of a lawsuit for defamation against Mercier exists, however, if Jason Mercier donates at least 3k, then there will be 0% chance of a lawsuit of way greater than 3k ever occurring.

https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/
https://www.africare.org/
http://www.yokchij.org/

Samantha Abernathy- 8k+5k bank
Samantha lost 8k then we made a deal where 50% of any further losses would go to a special bank that would be used to play any player she gets me and she would get 50% of those profits. After the cheating allegations where confronted publicly she did not feel comfortable doing that. To simplify the matter pertaining to the bank, she can keep 75% of the bank and donate 25% of it. I did offer free private OFC videocoaching to Samantha as evidence of my thought process but she never took it and stopped replying to me.

Joshua Beckley- 10K
Also offered OFC coaching but was not accepted.

Al Borda- 1970
Owner of Skin Industries

David Stroj-2k

Brandon Delnano-1k

David Nowling- 550

Samara Lantiere-300

For those curious on how I became really good, this video of me training and studying from 2016 shows one of the tools I used.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3q...NGalJhOW8/view

In the video I explain some of the intricacies of OFC using one of the best tools there is to study and get better. The tactics trainer from openfacesolutions.com is based on an exhaustive late game GTO solver, however, I do not think it is perfect as it uses wrong conservative fantasy land values since it does not consider fantasy land is worth more on the button. As a final note, an element that is way more important aside from studying is loving and obsessing with the game.
Thanks for screenshotting my old business, Open Face Solutions.

I can give some insight into the tool for those debating this situation, but I want it to be known that the goal of the app was always to educate OFC players, it was never designed to enable cheating. And I'm not choosing any sides with any of this, I just want everyone to know we spent significant efforts to make it educational only.

Here are some facts about the tool you were using:

1. It can only solve end game situations for HU OFC Pineapple with QQ+ FL (valued at 7.5 pts if I'm not mistaken). That's second draw+. It cannot solve setting or first draw. And many 2nd draw calculations take almost 2 weeks to finish calculating.

2. 7th and 8th street calcs can be made nearly instantly.

3. Calculations are extremely accurate, within .1 point in nearly all situations. Excluding some obvious flaws to its FL calc.

So, could someone use this for finding perfect plays in-game? Yeah I suppose in end game spots they could, if they took 5 minutes+.

But more importantly, and more likely, the same person would absolutely use the tactics trainer to learn the best plays in common trouble spots, and uncover countless counter-intuitive plays that actually make more $$$.

You'd be surprised how many end game spots are played extremely poorly, especially when it comes to risking Fantasyland.
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07-18-2018 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
How do we know that one or more of the players who lost weren't also using some kind of software tools? Perhaps they were, and perhaps their software tools were not as good as the OPs or not as good as his natural mental ability.

Hypothetically, if I was a judge on this situation I would rule that the honourable thing is for the debtors to all pay in full, purely because *both* players in each and every game of OFC have entered into a game that is inherently very open to being shady, so it is "caveat emptor" for all players.

It is quite similar to entering into a prop bet. The person who is not the doer of the task or challenge and who takes the other side does so because they think they have an edge, but at the same time they are aware that there possibly could be something tricky or unknown about it and fully accept the risks associated with this.

In the end, if you are going to make any sort of unlicensed or unregulated bet then there is one thing and one thing alone that should be paramount and upheld by both parties, and that is honour, honouring the bet and paying when you lose.
Many players used Tri's software Playwarren, and it was pretty bad for a while. But it gave early game advice, and gave instant advice, where my software could only play perfect late-game.
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08-09-2020 , 07:19 PM
No one ever donated to any of the mentioned charities. All the offers and deals I mentioned are not on the table anymore and have not been for a while. I am posting cause I have to make this public.
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08-09-2020 , 07:44 PM
you funny !
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08-09-2020 , 08:02 PM
Good for you, Poker players r funny indeed. U tried buddy, mericer is a scammer
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08-11-2020 , 01:40 PM
Jason's wife come across as very manipulative.
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