Not rules towards players really. Just in running the tournament. We were on the direct money bubble of 11 players (10 paid) in the O8 tourney a week or two ago and the tournament is scheduled to end at midnight. Come 11:40 is when the bubble starts, so we start playing hand for hand. Not a huge deal, but did slow us down a bit. Come midnight, they tell us we HAVE to stop. We had 4 people under 3 big bets at this point. Everyone wants to play until the money. Anyone who comes back the next day and busts can't play the noon event either, so it's a huge beat for the guy who gets busted first. But they wouldn't listen to a single thing we said. Made us bag up and go home.

They also seem to make up or ignore rules when it suits them. In the same event, Chip Jett told me about a ruling he saw where a lady put in a call of the first raise but didn't see a 3bet in between. The ruling is supposed to be she has to leave the chips in and can either fold for the extra money or call the larger raise. The floor comes over and says "the money HAS to stay in the pot... but we'll let you take it back this time." So they're hypocrites too.

Also, we came back on day 2 and played for 20 minutes before the level changed. The TD looked at the clock and said "oh it says we have a break. BREAKTIME!" We are still H4H on the money bubble and we break literally 20 minutes after starting play? Really?

Finally when some dude gets it all-in, 3 way pot with action still between two of them. The board is like AQQ46 so a low is possible. When the river card comes out the all-in player stands up and starts walking away. His cards are sitting on the table face down. At showdown one guy turns up AQxx and the other guy mucks. Everyone looks to the floor as if what to do with the guy's cards. The Wynn says they're using TDA which means the hand is live and it gets turned over. If the guy has a low he's getting half of the pot. People misread their hands CONSTANTLY in this game. The floor says to muck the hand facedown. Another player now GRABS HIS CARDS, looks at them facedown and now attempts to muck them. The floor then grabs the cards and mucks them. This is just absolutely unacceptable. He says they 'also follow house rules' which is code for 'when we **** up we can say we did everything fine.'

Absolutely ridiculous. That was just one tournament. The horse tourney I played a few days later had a couple doozies as well. Including a 10 minute discussion on what game we should start the final table at.

This definitely happens everywhere, not just at the wynn. Even at the WSOP I've seen this bs happen often.

yes, but who cares

Yikes! Glad I skipped this one...

did you ride on a private jet with hellmuth?

Hellmuth arrived day 1b. We did play some videopoker though. Check his Twitter for some jackpot photos.

was there a no-barfing clause?

I wish someone would pay me $5k to get ****faced and then pay for my cab home

I was in a pot for ~8% of the chips in play with 20 to go in the 2k. The hand was a long one, on the river I was hu with my opponent who made a large bet. I took some time to make my decision, I would say a few minutes. After a few minutes in the tank, the tourney clock ran down and it was officially "break time". Everyone at the table was gone and my opponent and I were the last two at the table. No one had said a word about the length of time I was in the tank.

At this point John the floorman decided to come over and call the clock on me. When I asked him why, his first answer was "it's break". Since that answer is obviously about as ******ed as it gets, I pressed him further and he said "you've had sufficient time." I have never EVER seen a floorman call a clock on a player, ESPECIALLY when there is a scheduled break. Since I didn't want to get banned with a ton of equity, and since I had a live hand, I ended the discussion there and had about 45 seconds to act on my hand.

After I folded I asked John how he knew I had sufficient time and he said "I've been doing this for 48 years" and completely brushed me off. He hadn't been anywhere near the table during the hand, he just appeared out of nowhere to call the clock on me. This is the same John that, by the way, was unable to turn off one blaring loud speaker that was positioned right behind the 2k restart area, making the entire tournament listen to the blind structure of the satellite at an unreasonably loud volume. This same floorman John was unable to put a tournament clock in a position where the players could see it. The position of the clock caused him to be late calling the new blind level twice by almost 5 minutes. A friend in the tournament also heard John making snide comments about me to his fellow floormen while I was in the tank. My best guess is he was completely butthurt at my "unreasonable" requests to not have a giant speaker in my face and to be able to see the tourney clock while playing for thousands of dollars.

I will never play at the Wynn again and I encourage others to do the same.

sheesh

Two years ago I played a tourney there where we were also on the bubble at the end of Day One. Against several objections they ended on time and we came back to the bubble on Day Two. However, they decided before Day Two started that they would just modify the payouts and pay everyone who showed up on Day Two. They announced this change (~45 spots or so paid) and asked if anyone objected. So, you either have to be an ass or give up lots of equity as a big stack where you could have abused the bubble. No one objects within ten seconds and they call it a done deal. I haven't played there since.

+1 here

Wow, a whole bunch of whiners ITT...

The only thing that remotely concerns me as a (former) tournament player is that they skipped levels (and I haven't seen any confirmation of that). Everything else seems either completely justifiable or LOL minor, even if somebody in particular doesn't like it.

I mean... they colored up when they were scheduled to, instead of doing it for YOUR convenience... oh yeah, and they didn't shut off a speaker when you wanted them to... and now you're NEVER going to play there again? Whatever. If you don't want to play there, then don't play there. More equity for everyone else.

As for calling the clock, the TD can do it at any time regardless of what anyone else says or doesn't say, and I wish more of them would, so we didn't have ridiculous 20-minute tanks.

I heard it had to do with him being very loud and cursing...

Didn't make it to the 5k...kinda glad I didn't.

so you're ok with the floor randomly calling the clock on players for no reason at all other than the fact that they're old grumpy pogs?

Did they end up skipping 250-500 and 2500-5000?

Wow this is worse then Fallsview!!!

never played there but I'll be sure to avoid it thanks to this thread

uhh...read gobbo's post. Thats pretty absurd.

As a (former) tournament player you may have forgotten, that the TD/floor people are there to serve the players and the games best interest, NOT their own.

Wow, sounds like John the floorman is an idiot. It does seem extreem to say you wouldn't play at the wynn again, maybe saying you wouldn't play at wynn-with-john-the-floorman would be more reasonable.

Unless you're trying to be super-dramatic in which case you're doing it right.

Whoa. WTF. Seriously f'd up.

Since you seem to be addressing me, I'll bite I guess. Re: the speaker, you weren't there so how can you possibly think that you have more perspective than me? The people at my table were visibly distressed at the volume. They were making a lot of comments about it. It was very clearly disrupting the tournament. However, the floorman did not seem the least bit interested in correcting the problem.

Regarding the clock, I have never seen a tournament director call the clock on any player in this situation. Just because a TD can do it at any time doesn't mean that he should. I always try to speed up the game; I can't remember the last time a clock was called on me. The floor should call the clock on players that take an unreasonable amount of time, but I am not one of those players. His attitude was very abrasive and allowed no room for discussion.

Part of the job of a TD / floorperson is customer service. I doubt I would be making this thread if he had been more polite in our interactions. The customer service at the Wynn is a complete joke compared to every other casino I have played in. Hopefully other people read this thread as well and decide to take their business elsewhere. I recommend tournaments run by Matt Savage fwiw.

i 100% remember that speaker setup last year, and i am pretty certain that they NEVER ONCE lowered the volume the WHOLE SERIES last year. so it sounds like they're just a bunch of lazy bastards over there.

I hardly play there, so I can't deny there is a bit of drama in my statement. However I hope that other people read this thread and realize that they are paying for an experience that is a lot worse than the competition. Hopefully some of them will take their money elsewhere.

And re: the specific floorman, he appeared to be the man in charge and was running all of the day 2's, so I don't know if its possible to play a tournament without running into him. Their tournament schedule is so sparse that I would rather just not bother with the casino at all.