Not so simple loyalty program, imo.

But let's see, is it correct that if you play 2500€ MTTs (rake 250€), you get 25000 points so: 5€+10€+15€ = 30€ cash and 5+5+10= 20 x1€ tournament tickets? So they're cumulative and you don't actually "buy" these with your points?

Would make 20% rakeback (12% in cash, 8% in tournament tickets) then... overall looks horrible with insane rake in MTTs. Also rake is actually less if you rake under 500€ a month, if you rake anything else that 50€, 100€ (this has actually 25% return) or 250€. After raking 750€ it looks much better, though.

Hard / impossible to count how good rakeback would that program make in cash games, because it's based on flops instead of rake. Can anyone provide an estimation or even educated guess?

EDIT: Or is it really that you just get the one bonus of those at the beginning of each month? Would look extremely bad bonus program if it is so.

I'm not in love with it either, but this is what we could build for March. April should be a lot better. This one is a bit too vanilla for me.

It does indeed pay out once at the start of the following month depending on how far up you got.

But if you mean it's not simple in that there're a lot of steps, you're right. That's intentional - you are always close to another step, instead of being satisfied with being a SilverStar forever, for example.

You're also correct that if you pick one of the steps with the lowest rewards vs. rake, the program doesn't look good. On the other hand, if you look at 500k points (€5k rake), you see the rewards are €2,750, which is 55% rakeback equivalent.

The aim is to pay more at the low end and more at the top end, paid for with less from the middle. The overall spend is roughly equivalent. I can only say "roughly" because we can't tell for sure until it runs - right now I can only look at my model.

During 65,000 hands of cash games in recent months I saw flop 9,500 times. That equals 14%-15% of seen flops. (is that a lot/little i don't know...)

Let's say you play NL10. 150 points for 100 flops you see.
The lowest reward is €5 + €1x5 tickets for 5000 points.

If my math is correct, you need to see 3300 flops (5000/150 points=33x100 flops). Then you need to play 23,500 hands a month (14% is 3300 flops seen).

On any other day, I'd say brilliant. But on rec-focused unibet, mono-tabling (max 2-tabling)23k hands for €10 value is sick...

If so far everything's correct,
For 25NL it's 10,000 hands for €10, 20,000 hands for €15.

Idk, it's still sad... Paying €200-€300 in rake and getting €15 though VIP program..

I tried the software, liked everest 2006 way better when grinding freeroll sit and gos. Anyways, the "free10" is a joke. Over 10000 hands one tabling nl4 to clear? Good, for business, no freebies, yes.

This loyalty that the unibet regs have been told to wait? Just sad.

I would love to root for your success but it's getting really hard now. Casino push is the only thing that is now up few hundred percent. You are paid to write that you are doing this for the recs. Too bad thats not true and when doing a stunt like this with bottom line as a driving force, without learning from past failures (Cake and Party to name a few) and with delusional additude you will fail.

Tried cash and rolette seems its jus multitabling regs at cash tables donkaments suck, only one €50 donkament in a 24 hour span, the rest is 1s, 4s and a couple of tens I mean come on dudes

The migration isn't complete so it's no surprise the liquidity isn't great at the moment.

And it's true that if you see 14% of flops the loyalty scheme isn't going to be great. That's getting on for half the average we've seen so far. The average rakeback equivalent paid is going to be the same in ring games as it is in MTT/SNG.

Also, just thought I'd point out - my model says that we'll spend just as much on loyalty with this scheme as we did on the old. If we were slashing it across the board that would hardly be the case.

I've also not really slept last night so can't think very well so forgot to mention this too - we'll be monitoring how much people are raking and how many loyalty points we are expecting them to get. If we've done some of the calculations wrong then we can adjust the points accordingly.

Is there a way to find out what % we have on the 4 euro bonus?
I suppose we need to generate more rake than for the 1 euro bonus, right?

Yeh, it's €2 for the first step, €13 for the second. It works out as 25% over the whole bonus.

The progress meter is broken at the moment. There's an updated client later this week and hopefully it will be fixed in there.

The actual server is keeping track of the clearance rate correctly, it's just not being displayed correctly in the client.

Ok, thanks.
I would like to report a bug: at the Fast Hold'em tables, post flop, if someone bets and it's not my turn, I can't fold directly. There's this box that asks me if I'm sure before I fold (it says something like I can check). The software doesn't recognise that someone bets before (it does only when my turn comes).
Sorry for my english.

Also: I can see tht you guys put a Hand History button.
Is it programmed to have a delay? My latest hands don't appear.

One more thing and this was really, really annoying:
I have a weak computer.
One time I wanted to bet and it didnt recognise it. I tilted at little because I was running out of time so i pressed repeatedly on the button. It finally bets, but on the next hands it played by itself only with min bet/min raise. Had to restart my compter so I don;t lose money.

Thanks - it's on the list so hopefully will be fixed in the near future.

Np.
Other than that, I really love what you guys did.
I played a little on iPoker network and stopped because the software sucks and there doesn't seem to be anyone interested in improving it.
I'm still playing at you and hope you'll improve the software - it's essential: regs would keep playing, but recreational players won't if the software sucks.
Good luck!

If those that know their flop% and rake$ over 10k+ hands don't think the loyalty looks generous, then its more likely to have been designed correctly.

We're able to make frequent updates - we launched on the 19th and had an update at the end of last week. We'll have another this week that will fix several bugs and add a couple of new features (including four colour deck I hope).

One of the good things about the way we're set up is that we can do this all much faster than many of our rivals.

That's the thing though. 14% of flops and I'm not a nit. It's kind of/sort of you're changing poker. And not for the good. Instead of raising, fighting for pots everyone will be more inclined to limp/call and see the flop. 3-4way limped pots will become a standard, AA<84s will become normal, etc.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrongly and after experimental March, April program will probably change. so, who knows.. It's just the way I see it now.


BTW, you have answered this before but the problem persists: I used to make deposits with Skrill. New client does not offer Skrill deposits but on withdrawal There's Skrill and all of my info. So, to make a deposit should I go to old client and use skrill until I can? (when old client will not be available anymore?)

Yeah, ok... Thanks...


I'm just saying that with requirements like that no nl4-nl10 players (most recreationalls are, I assume) will ever get rewarded. I took second lowest stakes and the lowest reward and it's awful lot of work for €10 in value.

You play 60-80 hands per hour? Even at 140 hands per hour you will collect 23,000 hands (5000 points on NL10, not event NL4) grinding... 4,7 hours for 30 days!

So I don't think me being able to calculate my flop%, rake% is the problem.

Why do you need to be rewarded for playing 4nl-10nl? Isn't the opportunity to play poker something that you should (net) pay for?

Recently I have been playing 10nl in my ipad, and I'll never even check the loyalty scheme because I know it won't be worth anything. I just want to try to run over a table for 30 mins, the economics are secondary.

But I will choose to move to deposit at the site that doesn't have 75 instances of the same 5 nits at the first 5 tables I sit at - so the site shouldn't reward anyone for that behaviour (if they want to survive, since rake = deposits - withdrawals).

My bad; they all register, but are out of order.
Maybe you could make them appear by date by default?

Sounds like a good plan to me, I'll add to the list.

Maybe you don't need to be rewarded. Idk. I'm just wondering how the idea of a site for recreational players complies with such loyalty program.

It turns out that Skrill was removed from RO, HR, SK, BG & CZ. I assume this was a fraud thing. Are you in one of those? Skrill should be missing from the MGS client too.

The bottom tier of the loyalty program awards 20% (€10 for €50 raked). That's quite a lot more than you'll find most places, particularly as new players also get the €10 cash game ticket, the €7 from the new player mission and the €500 playthrough.

It takes a while to rake €50 at NL4, particularly as we have much lower rake there than most places. That's also the case to a lesser extent at NL10. If you play 5k hands at NL4 you are going to pay a lot less rake here than you would at, say, PokerStars. Despite that, you're going to get a lot better reward in terms of rakeback equivalent considering the amount you raked.

I think there's a valid argument to be made that we are paying less to the middle of the loyalty scheme than some sites do - and indeed that is happening by design. I don't think there's a valid argument that we're paying too little at the top or the bottom, as we're paying a lot more there than almost anyone else.

Can't open the program.
Is it just me?

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