http://espn.go.com/poker/story/_/id/...+ev-main-event

Evidently Shaun Deeb played some cash games with Hellmuth @ the World Series this year and he convinced him to ignore EV, and this is the reason Deeb is making a run at the ME.

and hereeee we go

So he gives up one slightly Ev+ situation for other much more profitable Ev+ situations.

If thats the case its nothing news IMO.

Interesting read, thanks.

Good article ... Hope granny cashes

Shaun Deeb is on the latest podcast. He also talks about PH there.

what

This just ruined my day

Good article. Great photoshop!

C'mon dude, this isn't what the article said at all.

Apparently Deeb only just now realized that in a weak field, with a slow structure, and deep starting stacks, you should avoid commiting a big chunk of your stack with only a slight edge.

The rest of us figured that out a long, long time ago. Even Hellmuth, apparently.

ergg this article represents a fundamental misunderstanding. +EV is still everything

so wait.. nitting it up and waiting for spots is better than making +EV plays in tournaments?

hmm.

I don't think this article represents a fundamental misunderstanding at all.

I think the article is more about what pineapple said.

in before deeb starts raise folding with <10BB stack

awesome

If only there was some sort of book or series of books dedicated to taking advantage of this. We could call it..."Tilt Phil", or maybe something catchier.

Shaun Deeb: "Phil Hellmuth is great at poker and he's a great poker professional"

Definitely +1 to pineapple, but:

Well assuming that this is just about what pineapple says it is and not about some brand new live-player-insight, we just don't get (trust me, it is not). A couple of misunderstandings:

-"In plain English, Deeb came to understand that this one tournament was important enough that the math changed."

This doesn't directly have anything to do with the importance of the tournament. Maybe indirectly through "its important to play better in more important tournaments" or "if you can just sign up for a new one you don't only have to think about your expectation in that tournament but also your hourly you can sign up for a new main event". But I doubt that is what the writer means.

-"When he has a read and "knows he's beat," the Internet set would say he has to make certain calls"

Yup, the internet school of thought teaches to call when you know your beat.

-"Sometimes live players make fun of online players because there are times you need to ignore +EV"

+EV means positive expected value. Ignoring small edges because you'll get bigger ones later on if you don't go broke doesn't ignore expected value. It just maximizes your expected value in the tournament instead of the (ICM corrected)-expected value in a single hand.

A lot of you guys are misunderstanding the concept of the article when you say "Oh it's about folding slightly +ev situations and waiting for better spots." lol.

So its not about "play smallball, don't risk too much, structure is slow, opponents suck, there will be hugely (more) profitable situations"? Explain what it is about then.

LOL we've all been telling Shaun this for years and he finally gives in when Phil Hellmuth chimes in?

Phil Hellmuth is great at poker and he's a great poker professional.

Is that sarcasm? Hard to tell but seems to be since "shaun deeb is apparently good, so he already knew this and doesnt need hellmuth to tell him"... yeah sure... but that's what the article seems to write about (pretty badly if i may say)...

How did Ellen Deeb do?