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That is strange.

I'm speechless, really. Even with this being UB, I'm shocked.

ok im gonna quit that site, they have great promotions but man if i was drunk i would never notice what they did here, now that i think about it i think it might of happened many times be4

Perhaps 60 Minutes might want to do a quick follow up. Anyone know anyone there? Let's put PH on camera and explain.

Seems unlikely Phil would be playing online in the early morning on Saturday...

or he could be wasted, which would explain the chat.

Early morning, or late at night.
Seems like your bottle of beer is rather half empty than half full

Sent to the "ask phil" option:


Dear Phil Hellmuth,

Can you please teach me how to win a pot with the worst hand at showdown.


Stage #XXXXXXX: Holdem (1 on 1) Normal $200/$400 - 2008-12-20 04:15:23 (ET)
Table: FIR AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - PHILHELLMUTH ($4495 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOUBLEBALLER ($7494 in chips)
PHILHELLMUTH - Posts small blind $100
DOUBLEBALLER - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $300 to $400
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $400 to $600
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $400 to $800
DOUBLEBALLER - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Js Kc Kh]
DOUBLEBALLER - Checks
PHILHELLMUTH - Bets $200
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $400 to $400
PHILHELLMUTH - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [Js Kc Kh] [2h]
DOUBLEBALLER - Bets $400
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $800 to $800
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $800 to $1200
PHILHELLMUTH - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [Js Kc Kh 2h] [9c]
DOUBLEBALLER - Bets $400
PHILHELLMUTH - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEBALLER - Shows [Kd Qh] (Three of a kind, kings)
PHILHELLMUTH - Mucks
PHILHELLMUTH Collects $5599 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($5600) | Rake ($1)
Board [Js Kc Kh 2h 9c]
Seat 4: PHILHELLMUTH (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($5599) HI: ($5599) [Mucked] [2s 10s]
Seat 6: DOUBLEBALLER (big blind) HI:lost with Three of a kind, kings [Kd Qh - B:Kh,P:Kd,B:Kc,P:Qh,B:Js]



The public demands an explanation.

Can you also explain the meta-game benefits behind initially denying the pot got shipped to you when doubleballer asked you?

Quick Update

They just sent me the remaining $3300 (they orginally sent me $2300) but obv not before I had to call and ask for it again.

I'm sure these guys will be right on this:

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

"I can dodge bullets, BABY!"
- Phillip Hellmuth. Jr.

has there been a statement yet from PH or UB?

this is somewhat ridiculous.

WTF? Almost seems too weird to be cheating, but then when phil claims double got the pot is when it actually becomes super shady to me. I would have never guessed that phil was in on it, but when he claims that double got the pot he lost all respect from me and makes me suspicious that he's deeper into it than anyone thought. WTF phil?

Has anyone e-mailed UB asking for an explanation yet?

Email for the KGC is kgc@mck.ca

I just sent them a link to this thread so they can't pretend they don't know what's going on.

Ultimate Bet is still active?

At first I am like no way PH is that greedy to steal a (relatively) smallish pot.

Then I thought, why the **** is he still with ub anyways after all that happened.

This might be epic afterall...

I'm having fun with this. UB's support just received this email from me with subject line "your site is awesome":



Dear UltimateBet,

I'm writing you this just to thank you for doing something that no other online poker site has managed to do: Create a gaming environment akin to playing live, where sometimes the dealer awards a pot to the player who didn't have the best hand at showdown!! Kudos to you and your programmers, that is ingenious!! Everyone at the local card barn says they don't like playing online because it feels too different from live, but I think that'll change now when I tell them that there's finally a site that recreates dealer ****-ups!!

[HAND HISTORY HERE]

because they like getting raped in the ass?

Seems odd that PH would choose that particular spot to cheat, since he knows there are a million people watching and he's going to get caught. If he's going to try and steal money, wouldn't he do it under a different name, or at least in a more discreet way?

Of course, considering nobody has ever seen this happen before, it's on a shady site, and it's an insider who benefited from the glitch...well, that is a pretty convincing argument...

Hellmuth initially lied to doubleballer when asked who won the pot when doubleballer showed KQ. When you are a guy who one-tables online (such as Hellmuth) and are playing HU and there are two fat-foreheaded kings on the board and your opponents cards get shown to have a KING and you have T2 for a pair of twos and then you somehow get shipped the pot, that is a tough thing to miss. THE GUY BLATANTLY LIED, whether he's in on it or not he deserves whatever he gets.

Are these CEREUS clowns trying to single-handedly tarnish online poker beyond repair?

LOL A+...I'm emailing that line to all my friends that still play on UB

this has to be a level