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Old 01-12-2009, 05:57 PM   #1
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Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

I dont know if this is the right section to post this or not.

I somehow stumbled upon this, Im pretty sure im the first one to througly read it, and man its crazy.

http://www.ultimatebet.com/popups/uboc_terms.html


Looks standard to me....at first. Then I started reading it futher on and youll see it pretty much says, if you win a uboc and bad mouth ub publicly they have the right to take your prize away, as well as if ub goes bankrupt your out of luck(why would they put that in there?). Plus if the U.S. says u cant have the $$ because poker is illegal, gl with that too, but yet says they will take taxes out of the mtt winnings, which I doubt. WTF??? Craziest terms and conditions ive ever read.


18. UltimateBet« may cancel or terminate the UBOC and/or may cancel or terminate the awarding of any Prize(s), and cease distribution of any outstanding Prize if:

a) A Prize winner fails to comply with his or her obligations toward UltimateBet«, including any and all provisions of the Rules or any other obligations, rules, terms, and conditions on www.ultimatebet.com or www.ultimatebet.net (collectively, the "Site"), and/or any other obligations, rules, terms, and conditions in any contract or agreement contemplated by the Rules;

b) A Prize winner commits embezzlement or theft against or from UltimateBet«, commits any public act of disrepute, publicly disparages UltimateBet«, or commits any other act that diminishes or that may diminish the value of UltimateBet« or any one or more of its brands;


UltimateBet« dissolves, becomes insolvent, or is subject to a bankruptcy proceeding, whether voluntary or involuntary, that is not dismissed within 30 days of initiation, or UltimateBet« makes an assignment for the benefit of its creditors or a receiver, liquidator, administrator, or trustee is appointed for or in respect of UltimateBet«’s affairs, or any analogous procedure is initiated and not dismissed within 30 days of initiation; and/or

UltimateBet« is ordered by a competent judicial or governmental authority to discontinue the acceptance of business from United States residents.


19. At any time, UltimateBet« may, and retains the right to, permanently cancel or terminate, at its sole and absolute discretion, the award or payment of any Prize, and to cease distribution of any outstanding Prize to any Prize winner.

20. In the event of any termination under any of the circumstances set forth herein, UltimateBet« is hereby and the same shall be under no legal obligation to provide any further payment to Participants, Prize winners, and/or any other party, whether in the form of liquidated damages or otherwise
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:08 PM   #2
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

Umm, point 19 about "sole and absolute discretion" alarmed me the most.

I don't play on AP/UB anyway.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:14 PM   #3
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

Is this that different from FTP?

They close accounts for all sorts of reasons if you read the zoo.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:15 PM   #4
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

I just find it shocking that if u win a uboc, then go on a forum and say ub sucks, they can take away your prize winnings becuase of a tiny hidden terms and conditions.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:15 PM   #5
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Lesson learned: don't badmouth UB
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:20 PM   #6
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

what's UB?
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:26 PM   #7
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

whats "reading the zoo"?
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:34 PM   #8
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they should take away all of Russ Hamilton's prizes.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:38 PM   #9
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It sounds to me like a sweepstakes terms and conditions where they give away free prizes, not a poker tournament you pay for. I dont see how company can take away your winnings that your paid to enter for because you are critical of their site, regardless if do it to someone or not the fact that they put it in their terms says enough.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:38 PM   #10
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lol **** you UB....


LOL at a player having obligations to ultimate bet....lomfl...
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:39 PM   #11
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

This is the same with all poker sites, it's just precautions, correct?
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:46 PM   #12
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Show me something from pokerstars saying they will take away the tournament prize that you fairly won because you dont like their site and tell others publicly.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:50 PM   #13
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

Glad i play on AP and not UB...
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:00 PM   #14
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Lesson learned: don't play on UB
FYP. Idiot.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:03 PM   #15
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FYP. Idiot.
I dont think your sarcasm meter is working.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:03 PM   #16
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they should take away all of Russ Hamilton's prizes.
22. The Rules set forth herein shall retroactively apply to all Participants, past, present and future, participating in the UBOC. There may not be any winner of the UBOC or of either Tournament.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:43 PM   #17
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

Wonder if 18b is considered the Bax Rule
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:50 PM   #18
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

I think UB is great
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:23 AM   #19
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post.

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whats "reading the zoo"?
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what's UB?
Lurk longer.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:30 AM   #20
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

anyone still plays on UB/AP...**** them all...they deserve every bad thing that can possibly happen to them, including losing their entire bankroll..when will you people learn your lessons?

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Old 01-13-2009, 12:31 AM   #21
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

Don't worry, I'm sure we can trust UB to do the right thing.
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:40 AM   #22
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

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Don't worry, I'm sure we can trust UB to do the right thing.
Yeah. But they could confiscate the prizepool and have several choices
like:

1. Employee shootout, winner take all between NIO NIO, Potripper, Doubledrag, and Greycat- A fast car will hold....or

2. take the fundage and splash the pot with it in a UB cash game where PH has one pair and beats 3 kings. Ship the whole load to one pair so obv imo.

3. take the prizepool and offer it to BLAGOVICH for the open Obama senate
seat.

hmmm..decisions decisions

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Old 01-13-2009, 04:32 AM   #23
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22. The Rules set forth herein shall retroactively apply to all Participants, past, present and future, participating in the UBOC. There may not be any winner of the UBOC or of either Tournament.
22b. In all instances Ultimate Bet can suckah suckah dick yall.





omg i hope they don't take away my prizes. I'm just reading the fine print.
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:37 AM   #24
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

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Yeah. But they could confiscate the prizepool and have several choices
like:

1. Employee shootout, winner take all between NIO NIO, Potripper, Doubledrag, and Greycat- A fast car will hold....or

2. take the fundage and splash the pot with it in a UB cash game where PH has one pair and beats 3 kings. Ship the whole load to one pair so obv imo.

3. take the prizepool and offer it to BLAGOVICH for the open Obama senate
seat.

hmmm..decisions decisions


a special tourney ''super user only'' would be absolutely awesome i must admit
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:41 AM   #25
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Re: Ub, WTF??? My First Post. (Badmouth UB, lose your UBOC winnings?)

I wonder what a lawyer would say after reading this.
He'd prolly say " LOL", and then shake his head as if to say it wouldn't hold up in court.
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