Cool story, but Deeb is still a ****ing cheater and a scammer IMO

Wow. Totally devastating evidence. Excellent work to everyone who is/was involved.

As an aside, that "Divine Intervention" Russ Hamilton story might be the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

Barry Greenstein sounds like a schemer/politician type to me. Freddie Deeb would probably do anything for money including eating my poop. Woof Woof.

We don't know anything about the mechanism of how the cheating happened. Saying it was a "flaw in the OS" (whatever that means) is jumping to conclusions.

But I do think the former programmers could explain it to us.

-pyg

Has Barry talked about this in chat on the 5k freezeout?

does anybody know admo personally? i was railing my buddy who played with him a few days ago on day 3 of the main event. during hand-for-hand at the money bubble admo was going from table to table talking to people that he knew. after a while he came back offered to buy drinks for the players at his table since it didnt look like he was going to 'get any action on a bet.' my buddy asked him what the bet was about and he said 'do you know russ hamillton?'
someone should ask him if he knows anything about russ.

IMO.

Freddy Deeb still needs to be looked at, the money transfers from his acct DID happen.

Beanie aka Paul Nobles is back peddeling into warp speed. He still needs to be looked at.

I guess I could call it a feature instead of a flaw? And we do know a few things about how it was done.

Nat, whats holding the big news up?

Please Correct me if I am wrong
But according to Annie Duke (well she's been talking about it a lot) and Ultimate Bet the cheating started before the new owners bought UB in October 2006 so its not their fault, and the new and sol owner is Joe Norton and Tokwiro enterprises, and the reason they did not find or know that any cheating was going on before and after the so called new ownership is because they are all a bunch of idiots.

So why can I not find any mention of Tokwiro buying Ultimate Bet anywhere except on the Ultimate Bet site, everywhere else says it was Blast Off Limited that bought UB in 2006 , and as far as I can work out Blast Off Ltd was/is owned by Russ Hamilton and as far as I can see Russ Hamilton owned UB before the sale, is this correct, so Russ Hamilton sold UB to Russ Hamilton

Below is a copy/past from http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/1...psa-bought.htm

October 15, 2006
Amy Calistri
Just one day before US President Bush signed the Unlawful Internet
Gambling Enforcement Act into law, Excapsa Software sold its entire operation to Blast Off Ltd, a privately owned Maltese company, for a reported $130 million. Excapsa, parent company of Ultimate Bet.com, was one of the last publicly traded online gaming companies to divest itself of its US operations prior to the signing of the law. Blast Off Ltd. operates Online Elimination Blackjack ™ and was associated with Excapsa via the Ultimate Blackjack Tour, the brainchild of former WSOP Champion and Team UltimateBet member Russ Hamilton.

Many had been puzzled by UltimateBet's recent affirmation that they would continue to support US online customers, wondering how Excapsa would traverse the regulatory terrain as a public company. The mystery is now solved. UtlimateBet will continue to service US customers, but under its new private enterprise.

Below is a copy/past from http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...ER-NETWORK.php

According to the Devilfish IPO prospectus, in October 2006 Excapsa Software Inc. announced the purchase of its online gaming business through a sale of the shares of its Maltese wholly-owned subsidiaries, Excapsa Services Inc. and Game Theory Holdings Limited to a privately owned Malta-licensed company called Blast Off Limited. Blast Off was a previous licensee on the Excapsa network.
It is understand that consideration for the Excapsa acquisition payable by Blast Off was US$ 130 million of which US$ 10 million was to be made by way of initial payment in the form of cash and promissory note, and the remaining US$ 120 million was to be paid by way of deferred consideration over the following five and a half years, with monthly instalments of US$ 1 million during the first year and US$ 2 million per month thereafter.

I know he didn't mention Russ Hamilton anywhere, I was actually just asking in a roundabout way if anyone else thought Barry was trying to imply anything by this omission.

What big news? I owe vizer some private dirt via email, that's it.

Ah, thanks Nat.

I was under the impressions you had a new scoop.

No way that knowing cameras are in a casino would influence a decision like that...

Joe Norton/Tokwiro do not own UB (or AP). AFAIK, they do own ultimatebet.com and absolutepoker.com, but that's not where the money goes (that would be Blast Off.)

To my knowledge, Blast Off has nothing to do with Russ Hamilton (that would [formerly/currently/whatever] be Scott Tom and friends.)

What happened to the "good ole days" of poker, when cheats were shot?? Maybe if someone calls in a hit on the responsible parties, it can clear the name of Online poker.
I mean here in Baltimore you can get shot over $10, much less millions.

Now it would be nice if you all would use these same resources and dedication and look for similar activity at stars and ftp.

I know.

Who cares if Barry G or The Pope wrote that story about Freddie? Still should be looked at.

I have a friend Paulie who I grew up with that never stole a dime from me and would give me the shirt off his back. He is doing ten years in a max security prison for armed robbery right now. Friend I grew up with yes... productive member of society no.

What do US laws have to do with companies that exist in Malta and/or some indian reservation in Canada?

I do agree that if UB came clean with respect to its ownership and the prior ownership as well as the terms and conditions of the alleged sales transactions it would go along way toward figuring out what happened. But that will not happen. As long as UB does not disclose this infomation, its current ownership and management will be perceived by the public as being complicit in the cheating scandal.

I know I am a nobody Micro limit player. But Barry Is a very respected High Stakes player and he is also widely respected among the poker community. For all that Barry has done for charity and the fact that he takes time to post on this site, IMO, makes him 100% credible. Sure, he is represented by Pokerstars, but after watching the video clip of how he handled the David Williams "blue chip" tirade, or how he took that Bad beat from Sammy on HSP season 1, this guy is what all poker players should be. He is sticking up for some friends that really cant do so themselves. Sure transfers make look shady, but now Barry is puuting his word out for Freddy and Lyle and that is saying alot. Thx for posting Barry, your must be are true friend to those in question to come on here and defend them, enough for me.

Perhaps the -FRED- account belongs to no one and is a shill covertly named for 'Fund REDistribution'. There has to be a reason for the "- -" so that the name stands out from the others.

you miss a 5 off your name freddie?

Its CONFIRMED. Travis Makar used to be the software guy for UB.

LOL, no missing 5 off the name, just alot of missing $$$ if I am Freddie. Look me up on Thepokerdb, thx Nat, I just took down a whopping $51 in a $3 tournt on none other than UB. I hate the site, I am a degen who can play on stars of tilt b/c of self exclusion. Its fun to tell everyone about this scam. You say I should get my money off there, but Since i'm broke, its fun to play on that crappy site and blow up that chat box until my chat gets banned about this scandal.

+1

Well said.....I have to LOL at the people that posted earlier on in the Annie thread....It makes me want to take off my "tin foil hat" and shove it up their butt.