Ah...I don't believe its rigged. Wierd **** happens in this world - A person won the lottery pick-6 twice, a guy last week got two hole-in-ones on back to back par 3s, and there are plenty of web sites devoted to amazing coincidences.

I think UB would be slightly more furtive if they wanted to rig something like this so that it would go unnoticed by the public - i.e have two different screen names win it and then share the profits.

I think Hellmuth needs to get the F away from UB. Regardless of his compensation he's playing with fire. Over/Under on another AP type scandal with UB is 9 months. There has been way too much shady sht going on, regardless of this situation.

We need to get to the bottom of this. What are the chances of this guy hitting it twice?

Credit Card no worky? You tried echecks?

Rigged

I've hit the table share twice live. Him getting the big share twice is only 100 times less likely then me getting table share twice. Considering that there are more players online, and more hands dealt, I do not find this THAT shocking.

UB and AP are still shady and I will never play there, but accusing them of rigging the badbeat this way is kind of ridiculous. If they had the ability to set up an entire hand, there are so many more efficient ways to scam money off of the site.

All,

I've played on UB since my poker career began, and obv I feel pretty sick about it now.

So I might as well mention this tidbit I noticed a few years ago, just to get it out there at this time.

In the "Stone Cold Nuts 2" tournament, a $500 buyin deepstack UB tournament that paid like 200k to first a few years back, the commentators (UB had streaming video with commentators for much of the tournament) spilled that Annie Duke's boyfriend (named Joe something, with frizzy hair, google I don't have time) was playing in the tournament as "HumbertHumbert". Annie took over the commentary when the tourney was down to a few tables, with HumbertHumbert still in, and she made NO MENTION of this for the remainder of the tournament, even when he eventually won. (though funnily you could hear her picking up the phone to congratulate him right after when she left the mic).

At the time I thought it was a coincidence, and maybe a bit unprofessional, and probably against the rules somehow. Now in light of all this scandal, I figured it needed to be put out there.

Also, the account no longer exists.

*Edit* The name might have been "HHumbert", and so the account might still exist, cannot remember if I searched both.

No its not

yeah it was not HumbertHumbert, but his real name is Joe Reitman

ty for everyone who did research and especially op.

what was the second bad beat hands? did i miss it?

ty


first again:

dhc2lovr shows four aces. holding two aces
StuPadass0 shows royal flush. holding q 10 suited

The second jackpot was quad queens over quad 10's

Don't forget Annie Duke put her boyfriend, the same Joe Rietman, on the UB "Best Damn Poker Show" last season. He lasted longer than he should have. Nothing illegal about this but unethical nepotism imho.

Pretty obvious that this is beyond shady these angle shooting bumbling ass clowns got busted again. Now we all know from their stupidity the depths of depravity and greed they will go...now the only other question is who else is cheating and I think using Occam's razor and human greed as a line of logic I would say all of them in different degrees. I remember back in the day when people would say "they have too much to lose they would never rig a game or cheat they make tons of money" well now it is pretty clear that 5,000 years of human greed and predictability trumps your ******ed fan boy reasoning and computer ignorance and blind faith. Just look at Bernie Ebbers for an example of greed - forget the value forget the convenience if you don't have oversight and laws that can put the operators in jail or the players you are probably being ripped off. Even when you can see the dealer and the players and have a camera on them they will still try and cheat you - so you think online is safer?

GG Phil you backed a reputable horse there douche bag!

ill attempt some math/get it started.

four tens or higher 0.00000414 times four aces or higher beaten 0.00000157

correct? pretty weak attempt, i know

This happened at Party Poker several years ago before UIGEA. The same guy won the BBJ twice in a month, but he was a 2/4, 3/6 LHE regular.

which is 153,850,888,000 to 1. correct? so basically he had a 1 in 153 billion chance of hitting winning end (lesser hand) twice.

think of this in terms of the powerball at only 1 in 146,107,962.

my math cannot be right can it?

Actually, Occam's Razor leans towards it being a freak coincidence more than it being another case of UB/AP cheating its customers.

Firstly, as someone earlier pointed out, the BBJ is a huge rake trap and UB does great out of it.

Secondly, they know they are under scrutiny, there is an investigation into nionio and the people are looking closely at everything they do so for timing its pretty low down the list of best times to cheat the userbase out of 6 figures.

Thirdly, IF they were to manipulate the system to win the BBJ for themselves, they would NEVER use the same username twice to do so. The only way they have done so is if its an oversight, and i find that to be unlikely given how carefully they have to watch their backs now. 'They', and i use the term not thinking there is one or a short number of people pulling all the strings, will have learnt from the earlier errors of superuser accounts, something as simple as using another clean account to win it is so simple that it makes no sense to use an account twice to do so. As much as i have no faith in the intelligence of humanity i cannot truly believe someone would be so careless in stealing such a large sum of money.

Fourthly, as grossly unlikely as it is for one person to win the BBJ twice, it can happen and given a big enough sample size it is guaranteed to happen.

Now there are unanswered questions, such as why the time he earlier hit the BBJ it wasnt posted on the site - but it has become really easy for people to jump to conclusions where the evidence is lacking when it comes to UB/AP. I mean, i dont like what happened and ive barely played at UB and never at AP so im no defender of them or anything, but this is merely a question and is in no way a solid case to prove cheating.

You should go into law enforcement.

all good points, but you must also remember that UB has a record of cheating its players that dates back to 2002 (wpt aruba) and up until 2007 with god knows what in between.


If I remember correctly, Daniel Negreanu refused an opportunity to involve himself in the 2002 scam, and it would be nice if he would go over the details of it again. Maybe some behind the scenes info of who planned it and what also

whats that sound ? see edit below

Some decent arguments, however you are dealing with shady individuals caught cheating previously on different occasions. So, you would have to wipe all previous knowledge and their ability to cheat and steal from the equation for your points to hold up. Unfortunately, their track record is less than spotless in fact it is down right dirty. If we are to measure a person or company on their worth their actions and moral compass are that litmus test and this company fails miserably. Not to mention said individuals/company reactions to right wrongs - in this case it was to deny and lie all wrongdoings until evidence with players was irrefutable. For that reason I stand by my statement and feel that the logic does bend towards fraud and the mathematical odds.

whats with all the past badbeat winners suddenly all playing .50-1.00 limit?
i had 3 winners at my table yesterday.

I know someone who won two BBJ on AP (I think it was last year). Given that he is definitely not a superuser this makes this story plausible.

he won the big part of it twice? Or were these table shares

From my memory one BBJ was won when he had a higher straight flush to the other guy (so he got the lesser part) and once he lost with quads against a straight flush winning the big part of the BBJ.