Seems pretty dumb to argue diet sodas definitely aren't bad for you when a study just came out (that someone mentioned earlier itt) that found that artificially sweetened soft drink consumption is associated with a higher risk of stroke and dementia.

Rich, your posts are driving me to drink ... soda, if only out of spite and to prove you wrong.

Please watch for my bumping of this thread in 60 years with a photo of me with a diet coke in my hand (while driving my flying car, of course).

p.s.-- Jaime did not get huge and will not get under 200 pounds because of diet soda. The dude just needs to burn a lot more calories than he takes in. Until he does that, whatever negatives attributable to diet coke are more than exceeded by the amount of extra weight he is carrying and what appears to be a lack of will-power in the face of so much great reasons to have it (his health, help his brother, 75K, improvement of his brand etc)

Yeah the only problem is: It actually didn't find that. When they additionally controlled (adjusted) for vascular risk factors and diabetes the association disappeared.

From the authors themselves: "Previous studies linking artificially sweetened beverage consumption to negative health consequences have been questioned based on concerns regarding residual confounding and reverse causality, whereby sicker individuals consume diet beverages as a means of negating a further deterioration in health. [...] Because our study was observational, we are unable to determine whether artificially sweetened soft drink intake increased the risk of incident dementia through diabetes mellitus or whether people with diabetes mellitus were simply more likely to consume diet beverages."

Once again a study managed to show that people who tend to drink artificially sweetened beverages are also people who tend to have health issues. They did not find that drinking artificially sweetened beverages leads to health issues.

When you say it "worked for stu ungar", it makes me think we have different definitions of 'worked.'

Stapler shouldn't be drinking Soda end of tbh. Water and green tea for that boy, leave the Diet/zero calorie crap to those "Youtube fitness" dummies.

I will say that if cutting diet drinks helps him "go all in" into the "healthy lifestyle" then that would be a reason to do so (cut the sodas). It might be easier to get into a fat-loss-mindstate if you clean your whole life up and not just selective components, especially for a person who clearly has disordered eating habits through life (read: every young very obese person there is).

Staples biggest problem is by large and errything that he isn't tracking his caloric intake and isn't accurately and regularly tracking his bodyweight. These two things are the absolute cornerstones of the bet and everything else is a remote second. He isn't even nailing down the absolute basics, which makes the diet soda arguing moot in relation. We'll see how this develops with his coach I suppose, I don't think he will let Jaime keep his current structure up.

Jaime has a MAMMOTH task ahead of him and we are arguing whether it's okay to drink pop. No, it isn't. The odd one is okay but he should be flushing his body with lot's of water, permanently.

If Jaime is to succeed at this he needs to make a permanent lifestyle change, drinking Coke for breakfast can not be a part of that.

His diet needs to be flawless 90%+ of the time, and he needs to be working out properly. Truly getting fit requires physical activity, and lot's of it. So far he has walked to the scales a couple of times lol.

Hey guys, fyi

healthy != thin
Even if he gets to 180lbs, he'll still be as close to death as a 300lbs man as long as he eats nothing but meat and coke.

This is categorically untrue. Obesity is a risk factor in and of itself. All dietary choices equal the normal weight person will be further from death than the obese person. Did you really just register an account to say something this dumb?

You're basically comparing drinking bleach or eating rat poison. Either way he's very close to his death bed and dropping 100 pounds wont change anything to his odds of a very early death.

Unfortunately, we are living in idiocracy times already where everyone prefers drinking soda/diet soda/zero-calorie soda or fruit juice while avoiding water...Sad!

dont lump fruit juice, specifically orange juice, in with sodas otherwise you are part of the idiocracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

Health tips from Howard Hughes!

"His reclusiveness and possible drug use made him practically unrecognizable. His hair, beard, fingernails, and toenails were long—his tall 6 ft 4 in (193 cm) frame now weighed barely 90 pounds (41 kg), and the FBI had to use fingerprints to conclusively identify the body.[86] Howard Hughes' alias, John T. Conover, was used when his body arrived at a morgue in Houston on the day of his death.[87]

A subsequent autopsy recorded kidney failure as the cause of death.[88] Hughes was in extremely poor physical condition at the time of his death. He suffered from malnutrition. While his kidneys were damaged, his other internal organs, including his brain, were deemed perfectly healthy.[36] X-rays revealed five broken-off hypodermic needles in the flesh of his arms.[36] To inject codeine into his muscles, Hughes had used glass syringes with metal needles that easily became detached.[36]

All of this comes from the current bro/bodybuilding culture where influencer are pushing supplements and the bb lifestyle as healthy.

Looking healthy is the new being healthy. Milk based protein isn't great and supplements/most vitamins are not good. Health is extremely simple. Natural micro nutriments from fruits, veggies and spices. Not too much processed crap, not too much meat. /done

Except they did find that. They state that conclusion in the first sentence of their final paragraph.

Well, yes, okay, with the "slight" caveat that when controlled for additional factors, it goes away. But hey, details

Just like omega 3 intake is associated with cancer they can't rule out reverse causality since the study is observational. In short, the study is useful for formulating further questions, and absolutely meaningless as far as showing actual association or causation.

He also eats peas

+1

This study screams reverse causality. People read what they want to read.


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Not sure if everybody's had time to watch Jaime's vlogs, but there were a couple of interesting updates the last couple of days:


Quitting smoking - in yesterday's vlog, Jaime said his attempt at quitting smoking feels like it's going better than last time, when he was on a downswing.

Weight loss - Jaime has a new trainer Mike Vacanti, and guess he's decided to start with nutrition changes before workout changes? So in today's vlog Jaime mentioned that his trainer wants him to start eating chicken breasts and olive oil, and only eat 1,500 calories a day.

Have just switched from eating red meat to eating more chicken and fish and healthy fats, and haven't found it to be too big a change - guess it's felt more like a substitution than a sacrifice? But 1,500 calories sounds like a small amount, even for women? It seems like that might tend to feel more like there's something being given up - although with weight loss, maybe there's no avoiding a bit of struggle?

Was noticing in the comments under Jaime's vlog that a lot of people were wondering about that amount as well - although it looks like a couple of people have eaten that little before?

Contrary to popular belief many obese people aren't absolute food maniacs (I'm talking Jaime-obese people, not hiked-out-of-bedroom-with-a-crane-obese), they might just eat a bit more on average than most people, and have a bit lower BMR than the average person, resulting in a larger net gain in weight over a long period of time. What it also means is that they can't eat 3000kcal per day and lose weight even though they are big people.

Jaime clearly also has a very low amount of LBM, which means that his BMR will be even lower than expected even though he's a big dude. Those two factors combined with, well, that he needs to lose A LOT of weight in a year, means 1500kcal pretty much. The guy needs to make up for a lifetime of bulking, in a year. It's gonna require a big deficit.

Yeah, maybe he should get his thyroid checked. Perhaps that metabolism isn't going great or he has the cancer.

Loctus stfu already we know you are a diet soda enthusiast who will never understand what really being healthy is all about. Keep defending your precious diet soda it's hilarious

120g protein, 90g fat and 40g carbs a day says the coach. Well, his ketosis diet wasn't so terrible eh?

I will not sit idle while people spread misinformation, lies, and orthorexia
People (well, most people) didnt criticise the keto for it being keto, but because Jaime used it as an excuse to not track his caloric intake

bad fats: bacon, butter, kebab meat

good fats: fish, nuts, avocado