Well, none of this matters because these guys are tournament players and anyone with a brain knows that tournaments are stupid.

Here is an update. I asked the fellow who made the comments to give me permission to use his name. He was reluctant but said I could do it if it was a big deal to me. I declined, but then went on to try to talk him into posting here about this and other subjects. I'm crossing my fingers.

Also David Singer came up to me to tell me that he may not fit the category I was speaking about. But he does. He told me that he struggles with Bill Chen's book. But the thing is that he reads it. In fact he says that much of his knowledge comes from books. He told me his initial poker success is due mainly to my Seven Card Stud book. And he gave me permission to quote that statement. Though he is quite adept now in getting into other people's heads, he says that this is not a trait that comes naturally to him. He has to work on it. All in all I would put him much more in the academic camp than in the intuitive talent camp and he agrees. (By the way, his brother is a regular poster here. Don't kow if this is a known fact or not so I won't say who he is.)

Meanwhile the three pooh poohees are all in the top ten in this years all around WSOP rankings.

okay that's a good NVG post.

Why all the drama? Why just not simply state the name of the person you are quoting?

sttttttoooooopppppppppp

This is a scandal of epic proportions imo. I can't imagine Sklansky creating a more controversial thread.

obv reason for hate

Must be some name in red (like Kenny Tran?) who doesn't want to piss off the bosses so he gave the wink-wink permission on the condition that it not actually be used, so he can claim to not be afraid of repercussions while not actually having to face any.

But seriously, if David Sklansky goes around calling his fellow pros "morons", then they won't say nice things like admitting to have been influenced by his books.

Of course, we'd all like to see the drama of Sklansky calling someone an idiot and that person retorting that DS doesn't know what he is talking about and the two getting into a verbal catfight that leads to Mason Malmuth stepping in and saying enough is enough.

[ ] Slansky king of NVG
[x] bumb thread to the zoo

"academic camp" versus "intuitive talent camp" strip tease

Basically a non-issue because:

(a) both approaches work to a roughly similar degree

(b) strong and growing overlap between the two

(c) variance in 1000 hand tourney overwhelms everything

This is really a pro Academic Elitism post...
From a 60 yo dude who, bizarrely, still brags about his teenage math scores...
Even though success in real life has little to do with academic aptitude/knowledge...
It's all in the application and execution and managing people.

Sounds very much like DN to me. I remember him bashing math guy's plenty of times. Once he said something like Ferguson and others like him get it all-in pre-flop with low pairs too often.

if you actually said something like this why would you be afraid to let people know you said it?

why is there any need for secrets?

As ashamed as I am to admit it, I have actually read Phil Hellmuth's blog from time to time and this seems like something he would absolutely say. As an aside, if OP wrote 'tunaments' instead of "tounaments" it would actually be quite clever as it would infer that donkaments are full of fish.

I give this thread 8/10, more for the repeated ownage of OP than for the original content.

Lastly, I am with the many posters requesting more posts by Danniel Alaei. We're all a little ghey for you, Danny.

really?

Doesn't sound like Negreanu. For one, I think he wouldn't be reticent about being named.

did you have a bet on how many of those can fit in 3 sentences or sumtng?

i propose that "donkaments" shall henceforth be replaced by "tunaments", can i get a seconder

We should all be grateful to OP for 2p2, its pathetic the amount of hate towards his ramblings

I think this is a dreadful post by the op. You come on here with a half story and set things off.
There are players out there who wipe the floor with you time and time again and don't have any clue about math. Do you have math to explain that?
I know my math and have read your books, and tbh I am not any better(maybe even worse) than I was before I got into the math end of things.
I think you are just jealous of the success of some guy who you don't respect as your peer mathematically, and it kills you to know that he is a better poker player than you.

Basically you are a very good poker player, but you are not and never will be a great poker player, because you do not have the 'gift' for want of a better word. I know you can make a lot of money playing by the math all the time but basically most of the successful guys at the top end of poker have an edge that has nothing to do with math.

So basically you are just horrified when he does not respect three of your 'mathematical' peers who happen to be excellent players.

It just seems like a post of a jealous mind to me.

First thing I thought of when I read this.

A rather inauspicious thread to make my 2p2 debut, but It's killing me that nobody pegged this dude sklansky was gossiping about. Sfo Gavin Griffin.

Who else but a permadrunk live pro would talk sh*t about the math players.

Also PAD connection to Andy Bloche/Furg and foxwoods connection to Singer

Yes.

Pretty sure you mean Gavin Smith, not Gavin Griffin. And that's a decent guess I'd say, but you still fail at your first post.

Indeed, on both counts

Yes!