Wow, that is quite the contract. Did he actually sign it?

I'm surprised he didn't have to report to you when he needed to use the facilities.

My rule of thumb is if you're going to stake a guy and can't do it on a handshake, find another guy.

I tired from that, i am in zero debt zero loans zero proof of 30k
random screen shots without dates without nothing one screen shot of skype one other diferent he did this tread on all sites and didnt thinked will need some proof about 30k+
it never been that money so he tryed to scam me so why i whould follow his cotract when he trying to rape me with money

Explain this now to everyone ...

http://imgur.com/iesaceY,68qBMLh,LnO...fG8Y,NTnG64r#4

Explain to everyone why you are playing on your own right now and you updated on skype the other day you are down $15,000 on Pokerstars.com ...

http://imgur.com/SaVc0QH

Best bit is he is now saying i am trying to scam him ,ok lets put our money where our mouth is

He has confirmed he is in $15,000 make up and stole money ,we can ALL see that

So lets start with paying back the $15,000 ,are you going to do that ??? (he is playing right now with my money)

(if he does not answer the above here ,then this is all done ...one big scam by him )

are you so stupid you created tread with 30k dept give me date when it was and also why last screen is diferent? http://imgur.com/SaVc0QH
also where is dates?
where is proof of 30k+ you created topic whould be nice give some proof to all people
or you need time becose its not allready created fake ones

why i should pay 15k after couple days maybe left just 5k?
i wont talk with scam box who just want to rape peoples with his rep

You, JOKuERis, are a scumbag. It's his word versus your word on the personal loans. I see no reason for demetri to lie about that. Do the right thing and pay him back, or I guess you will have a hard time in the future.

yo demitri, I offer a 2+2 ghosting service whereby I can present your evidence/thoughts/mads in coherent english complete with paragraphs for a small fee (the platinum package even includes image hosting, multi-quote and other advanced features), hit me up

http://imgur.com/5ORYudp

DATES ^^^...that is you posting right ???...very easy for me to prove that ,lol

Demetri you are incredibly bad at posting. I believe you're right here about JOKuERis but only because I know you're legitimate. But if I didn't know who you are, I'd have a hard time believing you or making sense of your posts. Instead of rage spewing in this thread you should probably consider making one long, clear elaborate post explaining the situation.

Definately inclined to believe demetri here, guessing JOKuERis has accrued a load of makeup, then taken some personal loans and done a runner with those aswell.

Amount owed isn't really set in stone since makeup isn't usually a direct debt but definately going with JOKuERis being a complete scumbag here.

Joker lets keep it all here ,lets clear you man

So you confirm you are in $15,000 MU on .com ... http://i.imgur.com/5ORYudp.png (the dates confirm it was the other day)

You confirm you have stole right ... http://i.imgur.com/NTnG64r.png

Why are you playing now on your own ?

AFTER stealing and in $15,000 make up ,this is all FACT that even he agrees with

Please explain ???...

I think this guy is a real jerk!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=87

Demetri didnt present the facts in a great manner to start with hence all the flak.

However, it makes little sense (zero actually) for someone who runs a large stable to randomly try and scam one specific horse.
His business would not have grown so quickly if he had done this before and will downhill quickly if he had now.

He may even be a difficult backer (no reason to think this either, just saying) but it doesn't matter. Horses can't just end stake while in MU.

It becomes a debt to be repaid at that point and it's pretty standard in most backing deals for this to be the case if horse quits while in MU or if the terms of the agreement were broken.

If adruis truly is being scammed it would be very easy for him to prove so by showing a complete audit/history of all sites.
Rather than randomly posting OP has no proof.

Also since he still plays on all sites everyday it seems clear he is still playing on the OPs money even though he quit the stake supposedly.

It is great that he wants to clear his name ,but with all that i have posted he still sees no wrong in carrying on playing right now with my money for himself ???wow ...

http://imgur.com/2fvB5ha

OK Went through all of it and made it a little bit more readable.

1. Contract
2. Cashiers. FTP and PS
3. Screenshots of you sending him money. $7k in total. demetri1978 says that he doesn't have a full history and it's just a part of it.
4. JOKuERis asking for the demetri's permission to loan money from MTT group chat room demetri created. JOKuERis receives $1k from another horse.
5. JOKuERis replying that he won't send audit(?) to to demetri.
6. JOKuERis confirming his balance for the stake is -$15k.
7. TBH not sure what is this. demetri claims that he caught JOKuERis stealing. Personally I can't make out anything what is going on in these screenshots. And it seems they were made in February this year.

All in all I don't see anywhere figure of $30k. All I can see is $15k in MU. is that it?

why all two screen shots are diferent when the dates is 1st 2nd?
also not anyshot about loans when i get it when i need it give back
so you invented that money amount 30k+ and dont want to tell everyone you want to scum i start replay you not given proof about transfers when it was when you do loeans etc etc there is not a lot info couple screenshots and thats all
wont replay back and not going to replay anymore
i was in mu but then he desided it must become bigger becose he said so when i just dont feel any quilty to left deal in mu

also there not any shots of i will take loan

I agree with this all .Well said

I have found demetri's posts quite readable and the whole situation easy to understand
Would like a Zima post on the matter

Ok ,he is here trying to clear his name ,yet he finishes with this ...

"i was in mu but then he desided it must become bigger becose he said so when i just dont feel any quilty to left deal in mu..wont replay back and not going to replay anymore."

Ok man ,let me humor you for a min...just pay back the make up you owe ,ok ???

LOL...well now that give total credence to your claim and his post.

I would like to chime in on this and say that in the seven months or so I have been with Adrian everything has run smooth.He doesn't harass me or the other horses that I am aware of.He has been in this business a long time and has survived by running a tight ship.
Trust is placed in us as horses that we will follow the rules we signed up for and clearly Joke has decided to jump ship and at the very least he has agreed that he owes Adrian 5k from a loan.I can confirm that the figure posted in the screenshot for just under 15k is a daily update of where the roll stands at so at the very least the amount is 20k plus Adrian has shown some pics of unauthorized cashouts/transfers plus the last week is missing in the Audit which has clearly been left out on purpose by Joke to furthermore hide this!

Good luck getting your money back demetri, though i don't see it happening.