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10-09-2018 , 12:59 PM

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jcorb

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Originally Posted by Gzesh

Yet you continue to use the internets and post online. You do realize that every time you do, it turns on your webcam and starts recording ?

in my best Louis Black voice '...GODDDAMMMIT!...'

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10-09-2018 , 02:55 PM

#27

Singasong2222

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Yeah like if I piss a little inverted wildly, Would the machine noticed and therefore messed up flop?

Last edited by Singasong2222; 10-09-2018 at 02:56 PM. Reason: Grammar

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10-09-2018 , 03:04 PM

#28

Tuma

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Thay/VP,

long-con rigging every live game's shuffler forcing an exodus to the online realm.

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10-09-2018 , 06:12 PM

#29

SuitedJunk

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Originally Posted by elendil200

If an unshuffled deck is random is it really an unshuffed deck?

If you read the article, you will note that it states... The dealer put the deck into the shuffle machine and there was a blinking green light, indicating the machine was in "sort mode" which suited the deck and put the cards in order. So it wasn't like the dealer dealt hands, boxed the cards back up and started dealing again... Each time he pulled from the shuffle machine it was like pulling out a fresh deck.

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10-09-2018 , 06:28 PM

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psandman

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Originally Posted by 3fiveofdiamonds

I think the craziest thing is that the shuffler can identify cards and put them in a specific order.

To come up with and implement that technology only to save a dealer a minute or two and the end of a day reordering the deck back to original form seems odd and highly vulnerable.

That is not the purpose of the technology. The purpose of the technology is to be able to detect irregularities .... missing cards or duplicate cards .....

But once you have the technology to read the cards sorting is just an application of the functions of the device (the way it shuffles is to sort the cards into a random order so its built in that it can sort cards into a specific order)

personally I think its unnecessary for poker and prefer that the machines not have optical capabilities.

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10-09-2018 , 07:07 PM

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Reducto

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When it's in sort mode these things happen:

The button on the shuffler flashes green. Normally it turns off during the shuffle then turns solid green when it's finished, or solid red if there was a problem.
The lid does not automatically close when you put in an old deck and pull the new one out.
The button on the shuffler becomes non-functional. To open or close the lid you have to press and briefly hold a "Sort" button on a separate touch screen.

These differences are very obvious if you've ever used the machines before. Apparently this dealer hadn't.

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10-10-2018 , 06:20 PM

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Gzesh

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Originally Posted by psandman

That is not the purpose of the technology. The purpose of the technology is to be able to detect irregularities .... missing cards or duplicate cards .....

But once you have the technology to read the cards sorting is just an application of the functions of the device (the way it shuffles is to sort the cards into a random order so its built in that it can sort cards into a specific order)

personally I think its unnecessary for poker and prefer that the machines not have optical capabilities.

Yeah, sort of like the live back door in the UB software was not meant for cheating; this technology is not meant for sorting into a cold deck or more simply on every 4th hand pushing all 5s and 10s to the middle of the deck, above the likely cut.

Basically, I agree with your personal preference. A sort function can be the opposite of a random shuffle.

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10-10-2018 , 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gzesh

What I was saying is that the purpose is not simply to make it easier for the dealer to spade the deck.

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10-14-2018 , 05:30 PM

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MMMed13

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Neither of those flops are possible. On the other hand, 5h 7h 9h and Js Ks 2d would have been pretty typical.

You do know a flop goes 3 card in a row right? There's no burn in between flop cards...

If you were talking about a flop card, turn card and river card you would be right.

Is there a casino out there that burns between flop cards? I feel like you're trolling me but can't tell tbh

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10-14-2018 , 05:49 PM

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Rolco

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Originally Posted by PHNX

How should the dealer instantly identify this situation? 16 hands can go by without him seeing a single card face up.

Yeah in the article it says about shuff mach blinking but if we are talking about card sequencing. The light is visible to players also.

You realise you're suggesting that there was no flop for 16 hands with that statement? Oh dear..

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10-14-2018 , 05:57 PM

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MMMed13

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Originally Posted by NickMPK

Assuming it's a full table, there might actually almost never be a flop in this scenario because everyone will always be dealt garbage except one or two players will get like A5s or ATo.

If the two A hands go against each other, they will never flop an A or any other flop that interests both of them.

At a 9-player game, the other possible hands are J2s, Q3s, K4s, 62o, 73o, 84o, 95o, T6o, J7o, Q8o, and K9o.

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Originally Posted by Rolco

You realise you're suggesting that there was no flop for 16 hands with that statement? Oh dear..

No flop for 16 hands could be possible with only those starting hands