Shaun has denied any wrongdoing, claiming the bet was different then the one posted on twitter

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thread link : https://twitter.com/tonymilespoker/s...647537153?s=21

Based on Shaun's own tweet I'd say that Tony won the bet. Unless there is more texts/emails/documentation I'd say the easiest way to decide who won is the show itself. If they say "Tony Miles advances to the next round" or anything along those lines I'd say that Tony has won. In the end we all know that Shaun is going to do what Shaun wants to do. What the public thinks doesn't really factor into his decision making. Not trolling Deeb as I always enjoy seeing his impressive runs at the series but we've seen over the years he's very outspoken and most likely won't budge on this based on his past.

Miles was very misleading with his tweet. Reading his tweet it would seem obvious that he won, but in subsequent texts shared by Deeb the rules clearly stated that he needed to ‘hit the buzzer.’

Not sure who added the ‘must hit the buzzer’ caveat but I imagine it was Deeb, and pretty savvy move by him to eke out some extra EV. I imagine most people wouldn’t see much difference between ‘moving to the next round’ and ‘hitting the buzzer,’but it in this case it meant everything.

Pretty scummy move on Deeb’s part to air Miles dirty laundry re: drug use. All he had to do was share his texts and I think most people would’ve sided with him. He’s acting like he had no choice but to do that since his reputation was being questioned, but it was obviously done out of spite. I’m usually on Deeb’s side wrt his ethics and most of his stances, but he’s a piece of ****

If additional texts show deeb had a "hit the buzzer" clause then obviously that changes my initial statement. That seems pretty cut and dry if that is indeed the case. Watched Deeb's video response and it seems like he has the proof to back up his claim.

Wow. Yeah, you're not kidding.

I've only seen the show a few times (i.e. specific episodes in ANW 10 and 11 when one of my friends competed), so I admit I don't have a great handle on how the competition works, but I think that would be a LOT of extra EV. If memory serves, only a fraction of the qualifiers complete the course. It appears that percentage was especially low this year.

Even now, I'm looking at Shu's results. In both ANW 10 and 11, she advanced to the national finals without ever reaching the end. Thus, if literally hitting the buzzer was a requirement, she would have lost the bet despite back-to-back trips to Vegas.

Curious to see what the exact terms were, if that's even possible to document, since it sounds like it truly revolved around a loose conversation. If Deeb left it as precisely "advance a round" as is stated in his 2018 Tweet, then Tony won, as others have already stated. If the two somehow agreed on "hitting the buzzer" – even if he and Shaun thought such action was simply synonymous with advancing – then that is one helluva technicality.

Another interesting thought: by now, Tony already competed in the semifinals a couple of months ago. However, it hasn't aired yet, and Tony is constrained by an NDA from talking about the results.

So as of this post, I hope Tony DID reach the buzzer in the semis, knows he actually has the bet won, but just can't say anything until that episode airs in July or August. Then when it is revealed that Tony did in fact complete the course, the proverbial truck backs up into the Deeb driveway.

Yeah, yeah, long shot, I know. But a man can dream.

I don’t watch the show enough to know the frequency with which contestants qualify for round 2 without hitting the buzzer, but the few times I’ve watched everyone hit the buzzer (that made round 2). Miles made it seem as if he didn’t realize there was a distinction between making round 2 and hitting the buzzer. However, if you check out Deeb’s Twitter you can see numerous chat logs where Miles says he has to ‘hit the buzzer.’ He says it that way a few times (not ‘I make round 2).

Interestingly enough, the text exchange Deeb shared was an argument about how many times Miles could participate. There seemed to be some disagreement there, but I can’t make out the exact details. Deeb was already saying at that point (before Miles did his run and made round 2) that he wasn’t going to pay.

At the risk of stating the obvious, if anyone’s going to do a prop bet make sure all terms are explicitly stated and understood by both parties. Also, I’d avoid making bets with Deeb who seems like a pain in the ass to deal with—even if I’m leaning towards his side of this debacle.

Both Deeb and Miles should’ve used arbitration to settle this. Both parties look bad imo.

Also, Wilbury, I don’t think Miles makes it any further since in his initial post he said he was gonna pay Deeb

Read both sides, it's actually an interesting dispute because it potentially reached a scenario neither side had anticipated.

The agreement seemed to be pretty clear that he had to hit the buzzer, and that he couldn't just go take multiple tries per year. He tried in one venue, and made it to the second round but didn't hit the buzzer in the first round.

I don't think Tony is disputing making it to the second round via non buzzer wins him the bet; the texts between him and Deeb seem to be him saying "if I hit a buzzer in the second round, I win the bet", and Deeb saying this would count as a second try per year so even if he buzzers the second round, it doesn't count as a win for Tony.

Personally I don't think that's the spirit of the restriction; the concern was that he'd try to finish the round 1 course in all the round 1 locations and that didn't happen. I just don't think either side considered the possibility of making round 2 without hitting a buzzer in round 1.

In reality, hitting the buzzer in round 2 when you can't do it in round 1 seems highly unlikely so don't know that it's a big issue. And it could be Tony already knows he hasn't hit the buzzer in round 2 so he knows he has no leg to stand on, and that's why he's paid.

Unfortunately, this one is far, far more likely the situation. But again, a man can dream.

After all, in the previous season, one contestant (Adam Rayl) did not finish the course in his qualifier, but did in the semis and final. So it does happen. Still, that appears to be a rarity, plus Rayl was a five-year veteran of the show who had reached the finals the year before. Missing in the first round was clearly a fluke.

I see Jason Koon's 100m in 10.9s bet going the same way as this

Amazing how many disputes these guys have.

Why can’t anyone play nice in the sandbox.

Hope these two reach an amenable solution.

Outing the guy for breaking his sobiety is an irrelevant and generally scummy thing to do, especially when the drug use he cites is microdosing LSD and smoking weed lol wtf. Defending this as relevant to the situation because it shows Miles is a 'fake person' is petty and ridiculous.

As for the bet, just going on the wording of Deeb's original tweet ('get on [the show] and advance a round') it looks like Miles won, but based on the screenshots it's clear that completing the course and hitting the buzzer was definitely a necessary condition of the bet. Miles claiming he won but paying out already without going to arbitration, to 'avoid unnecessary drama' is lol. Like yeah ok dude you won a bet for 90k but you're just gonna give it up to avoid 'toxicity'...c'mon

Though I'm pretty much in agreement with Deeb that he won the bet, I also agree with this. There was nothing stopping Deeb from responding to the ANW producer and just saying "thanks, I'm not interested in participating, I'm a private person and I don't think it serves me any benefit to be on your show". There's no need to burn down the forest behind you other than spite.

To be fair if you make a living off staking people, prop bets and general gambling, someone inferring that you scammed them is something you might take extremely personally.

It's a bit like that time on HSP Freddy Deeb was jokingly accused of "going south" and he blew his lid off.

deeb clearly welching

honestly wtf

deeb clearly in the right btw but wtf was that ****, like even if the dude was claiming sobriety and back on percs or something why the **** would you bring all that **** into this conversation; the text screen shots are more than enough and shitting on a guy who appearantly struggles with drugs and is smoking weed is weird

this. from what I understood on texts it was 1 shot/year and dude missed(perhaps qualified for RD2 and even hit good for him but technical loss) - 0 reason to bring up recreational habits, if it is what it is you can just win the case logically

What solution is their to reach? Anyone with a brain knows Deeb clearly won the bet and I believe he has already been paid by Tony. There's really not much to discuss here unless we want to call Tony Miles a scum bag for trying to publicly call out Deeb using the tweet as evidence which he knew didn't have the full/current terms of the bet.

Or we can call Deeb a scum bag for bringing up the whole drug/sobriety issue of Tony for (basically) no reason.

That's really all their is to this.

LOL Shaun Deeb is an obese clown who thinks his **** doesn't stink. I bet he can't bench press 135lbs for one rep. Deeb is a ****ing scumbag, and a fat mouthy POS.

Tony!

i personally like Shaun and he’s always been nice to me but -

he literally has some kind of dispute on almost every single prop bet he makes and it’s clear to me that he intentionally leaves things vague so he has wiggle room if he decides not to pay you.

not that I think that’s what happened here.