contractual business agreement. you guys are funny. let's go to the bank, you guys can tell the bank all about the next score. we're golden. "staking" that's another good one, usually works out fine doesn't it. gamblers are crackheads



"help guise I lent 500k to a crackhead, he isn't paying. what do?"

"He is a well respected crackhead in the crackhead community, so I don't wana drop his name yet.. giving him a chance to make this right."

"Omg its over, I know he isn't paying, so here is the wall of texts between me and said crackhead, Omg you see how he is blowing me off??"

"Welp, I guess my coins are gone, but that crackhead's name is forever ruined in the crackhead community"

Nobody in this entire conversation is saying that Tom "technically" doesnt owe that 250k. You can argue that had they settled before it would be different and Jetton would still be 1.6milly in makeup etc etc, and that is completely true. However, they didnt settle, they carried on, and then Jetton went 1.6million into makeup, and then asked for the 250k to be paid.

Therefore what everyone who is arguing the point is saying is that it is a scummy move to do that.

If this went to arbitration, and the facts are clear as presented its almost certain that the ruling would assign a value to the makeup that would again almost certainly outweigh the 250k, determine that the staking relationship is beyond repair between the 2, and either allow Jetton time to find a new backer that will buy the makeup, or Jetton write off the 250k against the makeup value and be done with it.

This is actually quite a standard ruling imo.

As an unofficial master of psychology, I assume Tom owes money to people.

In Vertucci interview and the other interview to him, he takes too long to answer and looks uncomfortable, and then gives a complex answer that drowns the fish and doesn’t really say anything, ’which leads me to strongly believe that he is fabricating a lie.

Tom is a mess too. Wins 1.3m in a hand then goes interview with a brokies laptop and 20$ earphones. Something’s off about him.

Tom's speech, appearance, mannerisms, and thought process is concerning, and not emblematic of a healthy well adjusted adult. It frankly warrants further investigation by a psychiatrist.

His loved ones need to encourage and support him to get a thorough psychological evaluation done immediately. It's so easy for people like Tom to go untreated for mental health issues for years because they still operate at a high enough level to get by and his symptoms are mild enough that they are easy for the layman to misread.

Perhaps he doesn't have an undiagnosed mental illness, severe untreated ADHD, permanent brain damage from an abundance of sleep deprivation or a drug addiction etc., we don't know. But his speech, appearance, mannerisms, and thought process absolutely warrant further investigation by a medical professional. Only good can come from seeking professional care.

Yeah, no *****

Here's my read on the alleged debts that Tom owes.

Jungleman

-Tom has paid at least 700K in penalties
-Tom got Jungle into juicy macao games to apologise for the HU Challenge shitshow

I think it's time to call it even. Tom has proven to be irresponsible, untrustworthy, and deceptive, but he's paid a huge chunk back. Jungle should forgive the debt and not hold a grudge. Just don't do business with Tom again and discourage others from doing the same. He made a super large bet with someone that got in way over their head, got a huge chunk of the bet paid out, and got hooked up into some super soft private games. Even banks forgive loans at times. This idea that Tom owes Jungleman every dollar of the bet is childish and just not how things work in the real world.

You know who is actually should be at fault here? Phil Ivey. He was supposed to have held Dwan's money in escorw. I don't know why this has been overlooked by the poker community. If Ivey kept his promise to hold Dwan's money in escrow, and paid it to Jungle like 10 years ago, none of this bullshit would have went down.

Haralabos

-Tom was placing large sports bets on Hbob's behalf with an illegal book
-Tom has paid back 95% of the debt

It's time for Hbob to move on. You made a calculated risk to trust a degenerate gambler with high seven figures to get access to an illegal book that didn't want your action. Yes, what Tom did was super shitty and I'm glad you've shared your story with the poker community. Tom is clearly someone not to be trusted, but chalk this up to the cost of doing business and move on. You chose to get into bed with a degenerate gambler and got mildly burned. Boo hoo.

Peter Jetten

-Bit of a he said/she said situation so far
-This should go to arbitration

Trueteller

-I don't think there's much, if any info on this debt?
-Should go to arbitration

He might be worn out from all the poker, but Tom seems fine to me from what I've seen of him, dude. Not putting him down at all, but everybody's different.

Nor am I trying to put him down. I just think a consultation with a medical professional is warranted. It's not like I'm suggesting that he's a danger to himself and those around him and should be forcibly confined.

I'm just suggesting that hey, enough people are concerned about potential cognitive deterioration and unfocused speech, that speaking a medical professional couldn't hurt, and may add significant value to his life.

Seems fine to me man, I watched some of that interview he did a few days ago... like I said he seems to be fine. Not everyone is super articulate all the time... and I didn't really see anything concerning in the video wrt to his mental state... I'm just some random person who watched him in a YouTube video but it's not like he collapsed in the video while communicating in word salads. I think you might be overreacting.

A friend of mine was referred to a psychiatrist for a consultation over milder symptoms before. His symptoms weren't similar to Tom's, but it turned out he was having a hypomanic episode and he was started on a treatment plan that drastically altered the trajectory of his life for the better.

i wouldn't bet against the video being edited in order to remove the end of the video where Tom collapses. obviously the word salads were left in because editing them out would leave a 2 second video of Tom rolling his eyes.

you must be confused as to what video is being discussed. he's a complete mess and has been for as long as i can remember.

I don't know, I've watched him on HSP and other YouTube videos, he seems like the same person, but maybe affected by the poker moreso and whatnot. He won like $20,000,000 or whatever in his early 20s or whatever and has been doing this for a long time, I'm sure if someone lived that life it could affect them, and like I said everybody is different. If he's actually having trouble hopefully he gets help, but yeah...

"[Dwan is a super genius who won $10-100M in online poker from untracked euro sites and you're all haters. If he is incoherent it is symptomatic of being such a rich genius.]"

Ok, your opinion is wrong but noted. No point in reasoning with someone who posts like this because you won't have your opinion swayed since you see a lot of yourself in Tom. You can stop spamming the thread with your opinion on how staking should work differently than it does tho pls.

That's not what I wrote and I don't know what you're talking about, but like I said he seems like the same person he was when he was on HSP, but maybe more affected by the poker and whatever else.

If he's having trouble hopefully he gets some help.

I'm not a doctor so I can't diagnose him, I don't know anything about any of this stuff other than what I know from my own experiences with doctors and etc., I have no idea about Tom at all outside of what I've seen on YouTube and elsewhere. I wouldn't even know what to look for, in my untrained eye everybody is different until something that's obviously health related starts happening. It would just suck to have people saying you should see a doctor when nothing is going on.

@puckfokergo are you a trained psychologist/psychiatrist?


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He certainly pushed Coinflex. His record suggests he is either untrustworthy himself or lacks the discernment necessary for me to value whether or not he trusts his sources.

No, and you don't need to be a trained psychologist/psychiatrist to see when someone should seriously consider going to see a trained psychology/psychiatrist.

I didn't attempt to diagnose Dwan or play armchair psychologist. I simply said that he's exhibiting behaviour that warrants professional assessment. Maybe they think he's perfectly healthy, but that doesn't mean that going to see them wasn't prudent.

1. Numerous people are arguing exactly that.
2. They did settle. Where do you think the figure Jetten is referencing comes from?
3. It would certainly not be standard for Jetten to owe Tom any money for makeup if Tom decides to no longer stake Jetten.

Who’s to say he hasn’t to-date, and he’s simply choosing his own free will to do whatever the hell he wants to in his life? That’s pretty private for an individual let alone to speculate about. Weird imo


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Being mildly concerned about a public figure's mental health is not weird.

How many people in 1 thread have to question your comprehension ability before you accept it might just be an idea to try?

1. Where?
2. If Dwan hasnt paid it isnt settled.
3. I never said this.

"before you accept it might just be an idea to try?". What? What idea. Finish the thought. Before attempting to insult someone, try making sense.

1. In this thread. Where this conversation is taking place. Have you read it? Also, when you keep putting the word "technically" in quotes, it implies that you are doubting the validity of the word in its surrounding context.

2. Settlement in staking deals happens at agreed upon milestones, during which debts accumulate until physical settlement occurs. If you believe Jetten is owed money only if Dwan has physically settled with him, you're entitled to that opinion, but realize it is conditional and arbitrary.

3. When you say "...the facts are clear as presented its almost certain that the ruling would assign a value to the makeup that would again almost certainly outweigh the 250k", you are saying a standard ruling would assign a value to makeup and be used to offset Jetten's positive balance. Now, you're claiming you never said Jetten owing Tom for makeup is standard? Then how’s Jetten losing the 250k without owing for makeup? Enlighten us with your mental gymnastics.

Stop. You are embarrassing yourself with your constant nonsense.

1. You're wrong
2. You're wrong again
3. You've took part of a comment to make it seem like you are correct, but again you are wrong