Yeah, pretty much this. In the first interview (I haven't listened to the Verducci one) he was mostly incoherent, but when he wasn't he just did not sound like someone with all his faculties. And I realize this is picking nits, but I also was struck by his use - not once but twice - of "metarded" (but with an "r" instead of an "m") during the interview. Who even says that in 2024?

Imagine having to pay out $250k+ to someone who is $1.6milly into make up with you that you have almost 0 chance of recouping.

I understand backing arrangements and Tom probably "technically" owes the money, but there has to be some common sense somewhere in this.

Exactly what I'm saying. The person who is in the hole asking for 250k of "profit" when they are in the hole for 1.6 million is the complete degenerate in the equation. Makes no sense how Jetten thinks he is owed anything but a invoice for the make up he owes.

As I previously stated in this thread it doesn't seem to bet clear cut.

Tom isn't doing himself any favors by answering questions the way he does.

Nick did Tom a huge favor by forcing him to make it all understandable.

The Jetten/Haralabos/Jungle situations are of course different, and perhaps Tom deserved a call out about unpaid debts. But it has to stop that people on here call him a scammer only because he is rambling.

It's like when Tom showed up with bags under his eyes in a HSP season or whatever and everyone talked about how he was losing it, even though he cleaned house.

People on here is talking about Toms financial situation like they know. It's embarassing.

putting it like this actually made me understand toms side lol

Man how clueless some are in this thread if they think Dwan was only making 400-500k a year during the "boom" lol. He might have been getting paid that much or more a year from FT sponsorship alone, was crushing nosebleeds online and live. Who knows how much he actually made or what his net worth was then but he was making a helluva lot more than some are speculating here. He wasn't some "avg HS pro" at the time he was light years beyond most of his opponents/peers for a good chunk of time. As for your boy Polk, he's had a woody for Durr for a very long time now which stems obviously from jealousy. When Durr was annihilating HS cash online and lineups on TV Polk was whining online on a forum like a little b 1ch saying he was gonna quit poker because he couldn't even beat 1/2 nl online for a decent rate and was probably wishing he was Durr. He got lucky a well known top player stepped in and coached him or else most of you here probably wouldn't know who Polk is and he wouldn't have had nowhere near the success he did and probably wouldn't have anywhere near the amount of money he does today. You'd think Polk would be humble, grateful and not craving drama so much coming from where he did but that's not the case. All his "fanboys" feed his ego and his pockets more by buying into his bs and subscribing to his site, the name of it really should be changed to nutswing

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Dwan just got 4th in the 50k turbo bounty at Triton for $346k plus whatever bounties

Yep, Tom's income then did rely on shady online poker site sponsorships, just like his income today. It's cute that you still see yourself/Tom as anime characters, but it just isn't reality and Tom has never been close to even a top 50 player.

interesting graph. I'd have assumed he made 7-10m or so from 07-black Friday. I'm sure he made more than 2 million from 05-07 as I remember that's when he was one of the first guys to play the 200-400nl regularly. No, I don't care about Dwan one way or the other.

By the way, the whole staking situation is so ****ing complicated I have no idea why any of them get involved in it. It can't really be a profitable venture and the way he was talking about it it sounded like "this guy has some, oh but that guy has some of that guy, and ....but wait, this and that...blah." Now look how much trouble it may have caused. And whoever said its more of him just having a really hard time communicating like a normal person and not a 15 year old who just learned to cuss plays more into him coming off cracked out is right. He may take a lot of Adderall, but I'm a recovering addict and he is not ****ed up in these interviews. At least not the Verttuci.

I am not sure why you have profit in quotes. If Tom was staking Jetten, and Jetten was 500k in the green and wanted to settle, assuming their staking arrangement was defined as such, then Tom should have paid him 250k. What he went on to lose after that is irrelevant, since it is the responsibility of the backer. Even if Jetten went on to lose 10 million dollars, if they had agreed to settle at 500k, then that is where the high watermark moves to and everything past that point is considered a red figure. And unless they had some predefined terms in their arrangement where any makeup would need to be settled for some discount, Tom claiming that Jetten is obligated to pay off his make-up seems to be a misunderstanding of what it means to back someone,

She actually doesn't like him which makes the pairing kinda funny.

Dwan doesn't play nearly as loosely and recklessly as he used to. He has specifically said his NL is both rusty and he can't get away with playing like that anymore bc people are way better at NL than they were in his heyday of playing on tv.

He's definitely a favorite in the TV lineups he can get into.

that's literally the line he won the biggest tv televised hand last year. I think people bluff that line alot more then you think

What's this a graph of exactly? Just one of his screen names or all of them grouped together?

What did he win in TV games?

I think it's pretty safe to say he was crushing live nosebleeds back then too. That scene was such much different back then.

The mega downswing in the middle there is the money he lost to isildur, he sold a lot of that action I belive. Worth noting.

All in all it's pretty impossible to make anything other than very broad generalizations of a persons results from online graphs like this. Like, yeah, we can be certain Ivey won a lot on FTP and that Gus lost a lot, but outside of that it's pretty uncertain final net value wise all of it, people's net results.

So he doesn’t owe anyone. Got it

Also why does everyone hate on H Bob? Sportsbooks been printing money off of families heartbreak for a million years and now it’s like cheating if he used beards to get down action?? lol there really is a sucker born everyday. Also who gaf if bob bet while he worked for the NBA, good for him. I hope he sunk several books . You guys are something else

Everyone shitting on H Bob do yourselves a favor and read this again slowly. Books/casinos are like fentanyl dealers that kill you a little slower but only to bankrupt you and your family first. Some of you losers seriously have Stockholm syndrome

I'm not a believer. If Tom asks to borrow $200 from me the answer is lol nah bro. At the same time, Tom is playing in the biggest games, and travelling the world. That costs a lot of money. Yes I am aware of backers, but even if your luxurious life is being paid for you are still in that ultra-wealthy circle. Is Tom living in his car while playing 500/1k shortdeck? He may not be rolled for the games he plays personally but the idea that he's penniless is a big assumption.

Even if I buy him being completely devoid of his own wealth, you're still assuming that he's not paying because he doesn't have it. He's disputed aspects of all three of the debts discussed. Do you think the # of debts owed to and from Tom is more of less than 3? The guy has been around poker nonstop for the last 20 years. We don't know his financial situation beyond what we see and what we hear suggested. Your post is full of hyperbole, but I agree with you he should clear his debts and apologize. Setting a good example goes a long way, even if you're a weasel.

Listened to the whole Vertucci interview of Dwan last night.

Holy **** ! What a nightmare it must be to deal with Dwan! And thats only after listening to Dwan try to explain his side of things with his super warped logic and f'ed up attitude and ethics. Before the interview I thought he might just have weird ways of looking at things, after it's a combination of warped logic, brokeness, and flat out scamming.

Jetten:

The way I understand his Jetten defense is this ... and this is all from Dwan's interview only. He 'staked' Jetten at one point , Jetten lost huge. It's very evident from what Dwan said that there was either:

A) no make up agreement if he lost

or

B) any make up was totally forgiven and they were square. Dwan said it was because Jetten was his friend.

Then at some later time thru a new stake or some other deal Dwan owed Jetten over $200K. Dwan doesn't pay this debt and is continuously stalling for time. This slow pay, no pay has now been going on for years with Jetten getting frustrating and not going public. Until just recently Jetten gives up on being nice (it's been years) and goes public. Now Dwan gets all pissed at how Jetten is handling it by going public and starts basically saying he isn't going to pay because Jetten pissed him off. And also is now bringing up past "make up" that does not exist and betrayal, etc. How many years should Jetten have to chase Dwan for the money quietly?

Same basic bullshit with Jungleman and Harabolos just different situations. But the same insane Dwan logic/scamming.

Vertucci did a great job with the interview without slamming his head against the desk over and over. Can't imagine trying to deal with Dwan, interview Dwan, etc.

It’s one guy. Editundo. He’s training to be a lawyer or something.

Even by your own account its pretty obvious Dwan has done a ton to help Jetten out and probably should feel somewhat betrayed in this situation.

Not that it matters since Dwan horses historically have dusted lots of buyins, but was Jetten +ev in these highrollers? I’m on Jetten’s side but Dwan/Ike seemed to be treating him like FatalError1 and not like the 2p2 legend that he is.

To be clear while I think books/casinos should have the right to limit or ban people they're also beyond scummy so if someone comes back in with a beard too bad so sad. At the end of the day it's a cat and mouse game. The question is who is the mouse.

I made a lot of money off of casino signup bonuses and promotions when sports betting got legalized all over. And yes I did it on other people's accounts as well.

2 of my friends who don't bet all all told me "these hosts sound like drug dealers" with the emails they were sending them.