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12-22-2018 , 12:55 AM
Good to see some crazy games still going on but would be nice to see something on to see besides on pokergo which just doesnt have good content imo
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12-23-2018 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ddlloo12
Good to see some crazy games still going on but would be nice to see something on to see besides on pokergo which just doesnt have good content imo
disagree... the recent SHRB cash games and Bobby's room games have been really entertaining.
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12-23-2018 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by swissodds
Jungle never implied that. He said they had to put their challenge on stand by because

1. They were supposed to play on FTP
2. FTP closed
3. Dwan had been fckd by ftp which owned him a bunch of money
4. fwiw and if i understood correctly, Dwan couldnt play on FTP as long as those problems weren't solved (he sues FTp - his lawyers told him not to make any public declaration about what was really going on)
5. if i understood correctly also: Dwan was able to introduce Jungle to some very HS south east Asian games. One can assume that this was some kind of compensation as we know that those games are free diamonds for a player of that caliber
you can find interviews on YT w/ Dwan or/and Jungle talking abt that

Personnaly don't know have any intel that could prove that Tom has become a triad muppet.

However, we can tell just by the way they interact with each other that phua and Dwan are pretty close. So to consider that Phua stakes Durrr wouldnt be a crazy allegation. Of course, not any of us could know if he is deep in the markup hole or not.
To me, seems like Tom is doing just fine and living the life... Hellmutaments tho lol
I'm randomly grunching but jungleman has definetely said some things that made it seem like durrr had financial issues. I think it was in a joeingram podcast and jungleman said something along the lines of "dwan has had disaster after disaster happen to him".
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12-30-2018 , 10:40 PM
Fresh juice, seems like the issue is not resolved:

https://twitter.com/junglemandan/sta...89640850120705
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12-31-2018 , 08:18 AM
man you guys are a bunch of haters
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01-01-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

800k is a lot of money. Almost a million.
Quoted for truth
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01-01-2019 , 07:09 PM
there's clearly a lot that happened behind the scenes (durrr was jungle's creditor allegedly at one point)....a prop bet between dwan and jungle, two of poker's zaniest professionals, was destined to have some lolz.

i vote they declare the poker game over, and finish up with some oreo stacking or something durrr has a chance in.

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01-09-2019 , 09:43 AM
Did he ever pay Haralabos back? Must have, he escaped the shadows and Haralabos doesn't really throw shade anymore.
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03-07-2019 , 02:36 PM
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03-07-2019 , 02:54 PM
Idk where the triad rumor came from, everyone knows dean is backed by nypokerking, duhhhh
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03-09-2019 , 04:54 PM
Awesome interview.

Tom Dwan could stab my mum and I'd still love him.
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03-10-2019 , 12:49 AM
I never got the fuss over this guy. Just a fool getting his due that caught lightning in a bottle for a while with very unsound stuff. Massive top side of variance from among the multitudes. So he gets hero worship.
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03-10-2019 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
I never got the fuss over this guy. Just a fool getting his due that caught lightning in a bottle for a while with very unsound stuff. Massive top side of variance from among the multitudes. So he gets hero worship.
Tom is the goat so go away
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03-10-2019 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
I never got the fuss over this guy. Just a fool getting his due that caught lightning in a bottle for a while with very unsound stuff. Massive top side of variance from among the multitudes. So he gets hero worship.
i think hes a good intuitive player , so what if like the top 20 guys will beat him at like 5bb per 100. he can beat who he has to and still would prob beat most of us.
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03-10-2019 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by evolution
Last few years it's like he has a chronic case of the giggles.

Do you think he's being honest when he says he's unaware that the poker world cares about him? In an NVG type way...
Like he has to know he's a poker God, right?

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03-10-2019 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
Last few years it's like he has a chronic case of the giggles.

Do you think he's being honest when he says he's unaware that the poker world cares about him? In an NVG type way...
Like he has to know he's a poker God, right?
of coarse he knows , but also he always seems like a weird guy when interviewed. ( he looks like he cant relate to people and hes trying to come off as normal) ( like hes a complete gambling addict really just waiting to get back at it) i get the feeling he probably loathes poker and is completely addicted to poker and gambling. ive seen that look so many times at the dog tracks and poker rooms. luckily hes decent enough to keep getting staked or win or whatever.
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03-10-2019 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by evolution
Nice interview and good hearing from him. But he looks incredibly unhealthy. He needs to get sleep, eat healthy and get in the gym. Momentarily, this lifestyle is fine, but he shouldn't keep it up for too long or else he will really feel the effects by the time he hits 40.

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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
Last few years it's like he has a chronic case of the giggles.

Do you think he's being honest when he says he's unaware that the poker world cares about him? In an NVG type way...
Like he has to know he's a poker God, right?
I'm sure he knows that he's viewed as a poker god, but also deep down, I think he also knows he was incredibly fortunate to run good and be in the situation he's in. No doubt he's great at poker, but he did also run incredibly well. If the cards had gone slightly against him on High Stakes Poker for example, he'd be down millions and wouldn't have the bankroll to even play in these games. He knows that, which is why he doesn't go around gloating how good he is.
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03-10-2019 , 01:07 PM
LOL Dude was grinding high stakes games for years before and after that. He woulda been fine.
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03-11-2019 , 01:24 AM
Tom putting on that nice good old boy southern accent for some reason.
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03-11-2019 , 03:46 AM
Reminds me of Stu Ungar
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03-11-2019 , 06:33 AM
Tom Dwan has a claim as the best live cash game player of all time. He absolutely dominated televised cash games for 5+ years that included a lot of the current crushers. I recently rewatched a lot of the high stakes poker episodes with Dwan in them, and he was better than guys like Veldhuis, Robl, and Galfond on those shows, and I'd say slightly better than PA/Ivey. Is he the best NLHE player? No. But, there's a skill to playing live and giving/getting action that few people possess on the level of Dwan. He's probably the pro the rich asian fish like to play with the most. Another "skill".

I think the idea that Dwan isn't filthy rich and crushing these poker games the last few years is hilarious.
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03-11-2019 , 07:23 AM
A few years ago at the WSOP (2015 or 16) I had the good fortune to play at the same table as Dwan in two tournaments. I think that year he had made several bracelet bets so was playing as many tourneys as possible. I sat next to him in a NL tourney and he was constantly on his cell phone when not in a hand. Finally I asked him what he was doing on his cell and he showed me a game he had been playing, and it wasn't poker. It was one of those games where you try to reach a certain goal to win, no money involved. He was deeply engrossed in playing this game for hours and only looked up to check his hand and either throw it away or play it. He wasted no time on any decisions either, playing almost like you would when playing multi table online. He finally busted out without so much as a whimper.

The second time was in the 7 Stud ($1,500) and I sat across from him. He remembered me and was cordial enough. He was more focused this time and held onto some chips. I was a little short chipped and got into a hand with him, where I started with 6,6/A. He had a 9 up. I raised and he called. I kept getting high cards and betting and he kept calling me. Neither of us paired the board until we reached 7th street. I missed but by now was committed to this hand and put my last chips in the pot. Tom must have stared at me for two minutes before saying, "I call." I sheepishly showed my lonely pair of sixes and he turned over a pair of nines to bust me out of the tourney. How he called me all the way down with my strong looking board and then called on the river I don't know. Let's just say I was impressed and more than a little intimidated. I felt like this guy had looked into my soul.
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03-11-2019 , 07:32 AM
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Tom Dwan has a claim as the best live cash game player of all time. He absolutely dominated televised cash games for 5+ years that included a lot of the current crushers. I recently rewatched a lot of the high stakes poker episodes with Dwan in them, and he was better than guys like Veldhuis, Robl, and Galfond on those shows, and I'd say slightly better than PA/Ivey. Is he the best NLHE player? No. But, there's a skill to playing live and giving/getting action that few people possess on the level of Dwan. He's probably the pro the rich asian fish like to play with the most. Another "skill".

I think the idea that Dwan isn't filthy rich and crushing these poker games the last few years is hilarious.
Maybe true, maybe not....its possible he played super big games where he got pummeled and nearly went broke. When the stakes keep getting bigger and bigger and backing becomes necessary, only Tom Dwan and maybe a handful of people know his actual financial picture.


Its hard to not feel kind of bad for the guy, he was the kid everyone idolized and now hes looking quite withered and still talking about poker as if hes a slave to the grind. What happened to all the money that he should have? Did he manage his bankroll terribly? No one knows, and I hope he does write a book one day, I'll certainly buy it.
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03-11-2019 , 07:34 AM
Regarding Tom Dwan looking rather unhealthy, its possible he just played for 40 hours and did this interview, in which case anyone will look terrible. He has always been awkward, but there have been various interviews where he looks normal. Whatever he is doing out there in Asia or macau land, he probably needs to come home and spend time with his friends and family and detox a bit from poker. If you truly care about the guy, and saw that last interview on short deck, how can you not at least be a little concerned?


Life is not all about money, and this excuse that he needs to play 30-40 hour sessions. Why? Clearly in life, not everything goes according to plan, its fine and normal for a person to be struggling, but every interview the man acts like he has to be playing a ton of poker. Also seems like he cut a lot of his poker circle out, you know the people that cared about him and watched him on his upswing during the initial poker boom (such as his old roomate, raptor) and instead has now took on these older Asian men, as father figures//fish to play with in big live games. Its just an odd twist that his life has come to this, maybe its normal but from an outsider perspective the whole situation looks completely bizarre.


At end of day I wish for him nothing the best - Tom if you happen to be reading this man- I want you to be happy, do not stress to much about money and spend a little more time on yourself and find a bit more balance in your life. I am only suggest this because I care about you and from someone who has seen many of your interviews throughout the years - I am genuinely concerned for your health and mental state at the moment. Life is short Tom, do not spend all your life in the casino with these shady Asian "business men" unless you are going to be retired soon because it looks like its taking quite the toll.

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03-11-2019 , 09:34 AM
the amount of speculation is laughable. Also the personal advice is so helpful for dear old Tom...
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