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08-16-2017 , 02:26 PM
According to a Poker central article, Dwan CRUSHED evey one last night, including a $700K pot with Dnegs and Esfandiari. Dwan had AA, AE KK & Dneg had QQ. Dwan 6 bet all in, Dnegs folded and AE called. Ran it 2x and Dwan scooped.
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08-16-2017 , 03:06 PM
Dwan also set over set JRB in the most recent episode (day 3) for a 570k pot. JRB had 320k left behind though, could've been a $1.1M pot if durrrr had not checked back flop.
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08-16-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
According to a Poker central article, Dwan CRUSHED evey one last night, including a $700K pot with Dnegs and Esfandiari. Dwan had AA, AE KK & Dneg had QQ. Dwan 6 bet all in, Dnegs folded and AE called. Ran it 2x and Dwan scooped.
yeah where have you been the last couple of days
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08-16-2017 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pokernoob85
yeah where have you been the last couple of days
I don't have the Poker Go app, so I am a day, week behind, sorry.

Just watched the hand and Dnegs is pure full of sheet. Yells out "You have AK" and KNEW he was folding, only after a shove and call. Idiot.

I don't understand how his fanboys can't see through him? He is a terrible cash player and out of his league at that table, IMO. Can't stand the douche-la-roo.
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08-17-2017 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bageled
I don't have the Poker Go app, so I am a day, week behind, sorry.

Just watched the hand and Dnegs is pure full of sheet. Yells out "You have AK" and KNEW he was folding, only after a shove and call. Idiot.

I don't understand how his fanboys can't see through him? He is a terrible cash player and out of his league at that table, IMO. Can't stand the douche-la-roo.
Hi Bageled, care to explain or elaborate on the awkward behavior of Negreanu in that case? I think I didn't get the gist of what was sleazy about it. Thanks!

BTW: I don't have PokerGO as I think it is terrible for the advancement of Poker and therefore will boycott it to the last molecule of oxygen in my body. The makers of all these Poker subscription models clearly care more about lining their owns pockets than making High Stakes Poker available to as wide as possible public audiences.
There has been nothing better and never will in terms of Poker advertising than free televised Poker where a mix of well-known players and amateurs play for heaps of cash. The companies can hire as many Sports stars as they like and Alex Dreyfus may do as much as he pleases but they will never come near the exposure that Poker had when it was openly televised.
I am of course aware that the US Poker market is basically dead (except for semi-dead and basically fenced online play in New Jersey and Nevada) and because of that there is no monetary reason for US TV to provide expensive air time any longer so we won't see Poker on TV any time soon.

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08-17-2017 , 01:21 AM
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Hi Bageled, care to explain or elaborate on the awkward behavior of Negreanu in that case? I think I didn't get the gist of what was sleazy about it....
There was nothing sleazy or awkward about it. Negreanu just folded a huge hand and asked them both what they had, and right after calling a nearly $40k raise before him. Nothing weird about that whatsoever. So I have no idea what the guy is talking about, unless he just has a problem with Negreanu.
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08-17-2017 , 02:36 AM
Downloaded the PokerGo app just for this and cant even find an option in app to subscribe, can find sign in page and thats it, annoying

Im looking forward to watch Dwan crush
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08-17-2017 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasKK
There was nothing sleazy or awkward about it. Negreanu just folded a huge hand and asked them both what they had, and right after calling a nearly $40k raise before him. Nothing weird about that whatsoever. So I have no idea what the guy is talking about, unless he just has a problem with Negreanu.
Makes a huge fuss about making a HUGE fold with QQ - proceeds to call them both on AK...

If he genuinely thought they both had AK, then laying down QQ is the nut worst thing to do...

The words that come out of his mouth there are the biggest load of **** I've ever heard.
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08-17-2017 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by niminator
Hi Bageled, care to explain or elaborate on the awkward behavior of Negreanu in that case? I think I didn't get the gist of what was sleazy about it. Thanks!

BTW: I don't have PokerGO as I think it is terrible for the advancement of Poker and therefore will boycott it to the last molecule of oxygen in my body. The makers of all these Poker subscription models clearly care more about lining their owns pockets than making High Stakes Poker available to as wide as possible public audiences.
There has been nothing better and never will in terms of Poker advertising than free televised Poker where a mix of well-known players and amateurs play for heaps of cash. The companies can hire as many Sports stars as they like and Alex Dreyfus may do as much as he pleases but they will never come near the exposure that Poker had when it was openly televised.
I am of course aware that the US Poker market is basically dead (except for semi-dead and basically fenced online play in New Jersey and Nevada) and because of that there is no monetary reason for US TV to provide expensive air time any longer so we won't see Poker on TV any time soon.
I am getting so sick of people thinking that business owe them something.

Yeah, **** you PokerGo for wanting to operate as a business and make some profit.

I can't believe how ridiculous some people are. You think they will just put together a full live broadcast for ****s and giggles?
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08-17-2017 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
I am getting so sick of people thinking that business owe them something.

Yeah, **** you PokerGo for wanting to operate as a business and make some profit.

I can't believe how ridiculous some people are. You think they will just put together a full live broadcast for ****s and giggles?
seriously. the reason there was so much TV poker during the boom was because online poker sites were paying for advertising. No online poker in USA so no TV poker. I'm glad PokerGO is putting out more poker content and if I have to pay for it then whatever.
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08-17-2017 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Makes a huge fuss about making a HUGE fold with QQ - proceeds to call them both on AK...

If he genuinely thought they both had AK, then laying down QQ is the nut worst thing to do...

The words that come out of his mouth there are the biggest load of **** I've ever heard.
OK, thanks now that is indeed a pile of bull and puts what was so cringeworthy in perspective. Thanks! :-)
He really did call them both out for AK and still folded QQ? lol
Must have been trolling them hard or be an idiot or simply a loud exclamation of sort of probability thoughts like "they both MAY have a mere AK or sth."

Whatever it is, I guess Dwan and others are happy to have Dnegs in that line up :-)

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I am getting so sick of people thinking that business owe them something.

Yeah, **** you PokerGo for wanting to operate as a business and make some profit.

I can't believe how ridiculous some people are. You think they will just put together a full live broadcast for ****s and giggles?
I don't think any player owes anybody a flying **** just like you do and I think no one is entitled to have any demands etc. of well-known players.

However, I think that your critique is a but undifferentiated as the perspective changes a little when we talk about larger companies that have a claim to fame and a customer base and so on and so on.
They depend heavily on an approving majority that keeps the company's mojo running. Out of customers, out of business. If there's a major **** up then a company may never recover from that hit and loses its trust and customer base and rightly so.

So I think that makes a big difference and it was never actually "for free" when Poker High Stakes and the likes ran on free TV. They earned mirrions by all those ads. Many of those ads by Full Tilt and other (online ) gambling operators which is now basically dead in the US.

Companies can and should -all power to them and good luck!- make moniez off of us with all sorts of content and stuff but I for one won't support that.
As I explained having pay-only Poker games is not furthering Poker. Sites can be the least happy ones about PokerGo.

In contrast, a Poker player's customer base is the players at the table (usually) so he can't care less what others think about him and for online players especially that's basically even in the irrelevant category.

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seriously. the reason there was so much TV poker during the boom was because online poker sites were paying for advertising. No online poker in USA so no TV poker. I'm glad PokerGO is putting out more poker content and if I have to pay for it then whatever.
Absolutely and fully agree. But you and me and others on that forum are already Poker players or have been even for many years while new players won't enter the game without TV.

I'd love to pay for PokerGo and I think it is GREAT and AMAZING for me personally to watch my old heros play. THANKS MORI ESKANDANI(!!!) for making that possible. But on the other hand I have the feeling that I may support that business model and it may be instated for good moving forward if enough people do. Newcomers and n00bs and people that never played for money won't ever be brought to the game by pay-per-view and what have you there is and I simply don't want to support that.

I may be a stubborn idiot for that, of course. But I hope it makes at least some sense what I just uttered and I hope that industry heavy weights and people like Mori, Negreanu and many others openly rally for legalization of online Poker instead.

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08-17-2017 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Makes a huge fuss about making a HUGE fold with QQ - proceeds to call them both on AK...

If he genuinely thought they both had AK, then laying down QQ is the nut worst thing to do...
He made the hand about himself and his fold then... Cool fold bro'
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08-17-2017 , 05:50 AM
"I was probably going to fold anyway, but this makes it much easier (in ref to both being all in)."

Folds his QQ.

"They both have AK?"


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08-17-2017 , 06:04 AM
@IHaveThreePair: Thanks! Unfortunately, the vids are not working. Maybe it's a Germany/EU thing or they got taken down ?
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08-17-2017 , 06:07 AM
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@IHaveThreePair: Thanks! Unfortunately, the vids are not working. Maybe it's a Germany/EU thing or they got taken down ?
Hm, I'm in UK and working. Then again maybe we don't calss as EU...


Go to Youtube and search 'PokerGo' it's the first video titled "Tom Dwan is Back"
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08-17-2017 , 06:11 AM
Put just the part after and not including ?v= in the youtube tags, otherwise it won't show on the forum.
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08-17-2017 , 06:14 AM
Holy sheit that host is so bad.
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08-17-2017 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by IHaveThreePair
Hm, I'm in UK and working. Then again maybe we don't calss as EU...


Go to Youtube and search 'PokerGo' it's the first video titled "Tom Dwan is Back"
That worked perfectly!

Wow, seen it now and LOOOOOVE to see Durrrr be back and crush :-)

Daniel indeed is super self-absorbed and absolutely made this into "his" hand. Sometimes just STFU. But guess for recreationals it creates some sort of mystique and magical aura around him and his super human reads. So I'll take it (being that this clip is available for everyone to freely watch on YouTube I'll take it even more) :-)

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08-17-2017 , 07:22 AM
What are you guys on? Daniel is a fun player in cash nlhe deep, let him have fun!
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08-17-2017 , 08:50 AM
Daniel is just mentioning the only possible set up where his fold would be bad. He is just looking for confirmation that his fold was ok.
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08-17-2017 , 09:22 AM
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Daniel is just mentioning the only possible set up where his fold would be bad. He is just looking for confirmation that his fold was ok.
100% correct.

Another thing I thought was interesting was that Tom immediately offered to run it 2x. Reduces variance, sure, but Antonio was very happy to hear it! The way it went down, it looked like Tom was a bit sympathetic about Antonio's situation.
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08-17-2017 , 09:25 AM
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Daniel is just mentioning the only possible set up where his fold would be bad. He is just looking for confirmation that his fold was ok.
His fold is literally never bad here.

Do you honestly think that Dwan is 6-bet shoving (apparently there was a straddle so only a 5bet) over a 5-bet and a call with AK?

And then Antonio is calling with AK?

He must be REALLY bad if he genuinely thinks they both have AK here...
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08-17-2017 , 11:13 AM
^ seems way too offended about a standard poker hand.
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08-17-2017 , 11:27 AM
99.9% of players muck their hand without saying **** and appreciate that someone has just ran KK into AA for a pretty heft sum of money. They probably don't need to hear someone glorifying their amazing decision to fold and needling that they both could have had AK...
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08-17-2017 , 11:34 AM
tbf it would be considerably less egregious in your local 1/2 game imo.
The tension is in the air over losing a massive amount of money which really shouldn't be there at a table of pros. I guess Daniel doesn't feel as strongly as Antonio since he is better rolled or has less of himself.
Would like to see people professional enough to stay in good spirits and smile after losing big pots (Doug eg.) and not feel awkward when JRB punts away a third of his roll, but that's probably too much to ask.
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