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Tobey Maguire Sued Over Multi-Million Dollar Illegal Poker Game; DiCaprio, Affleck & Damon Invo Tobey Maguire Sued Over Multi-Million Dollar Illegal Poker Game; DiCaprio, Affleck & Damon Invo

06-22-2011 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
I'm no lawyer, but as best I can tell from the complaint and my limited understanding of how bankrupcy works their core argument seems to be

In a bankrupcy there are laws governing the order debts are paid back by whatever went bankrupt and they're still owed money and Toby was paid "debts" before them so he has to give it them.

I think that's gonna fail pretty miserably for a lot of different reasons.
If that's the only claim, it could succeed, but then it's not an issue of whether the poker game is illegal. Under the proper circumstances, any number of transactions by a bankrupt estate could be rescinded, including perfectly legal ones.

For instance, there's no law that prohibits you from buying a car from your brother-in-law's car dealership at an inflated price, but if you do it for the purpose of avoiding paying your creditors in a bankruptcy case, the Bankruptcy Court can rescind that transaction.

The claim that does not make sense is one that since the poker game is illegal, he gets the money back. Even if the poker game was illegal, you don't get your money back.
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06-22-2011 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
It's very possible, these celebrities have much more money than poker players. This is just the tip of the iceberg though, so much goes on behind closed doors in these circles.
Follow the money. Cloak and Dagger out.
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06-22-2011 , 04:24 PM
clawback laws....they are FAR reaching..tobey will pay something
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06-22-2011 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
If that's the only claim, it could succeed, but then it's not an issue of whether the poker game is illegal. Under the proper circumstances, any number of transactions by a bankrupt estate could be rescinded, including perfectly legal ones.

For instance, there's no law that prohibits you from buying a car from your brother-in-law's car dealership at an inflated price, but if you do it for the purpose of avoiding paying your creditors in a bankruptcy case, the Bankruptcy Court can rescind that transaction.

The claim that does not make sense is one that since the poker game is illegal, he gets the money back. Even if the poker game was illegal, you don't get your money back.
Whether it is rescinded depends on how far in advance the transaction took place. In other words, something you did thirty days before you filed bankruptcy could very well be rescinded while something done ninety days before might not. Depends on the state law.

Not sure if this has been mentioned as I did not read all nine pages of posts, but our "friend" over at the FOF affiliate, Citizen Link, has caught wind of the story. http://www.citizenlink.com/2011/06/2...gambling-ring/

Last edited by ChaosReigns; 06-22-2011 at 04:26 PM. Reason: addition
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06-22-2011 , 04:47 PM
If there was no rake, how could this be an illegal poker game, as the article suggests?
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06-22-2011 , 04:48 PM
Yea thats what I am wondering too lol
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06-22-2011 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kfs
If there was no rake, how could this be an illegal poker game, as the article suggests?
In a deposition of the alleged ringleader of the operation, which took in tens of millions of dollars beginning in 2006 through 2009, Maguire is described as a "very, very frequent player," in the games, which ended in 2009.

Looks like they could have been raking it. I heard that Shannon Elizabeth used to rake the sh*t out of her home game.
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06-22-2011 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhigh
In a deposition of the alleged ringleader of the operation, which took in tens of millions of dollars beginning in 2006 through 2009, Maguire is described as a "very, very frequent player," in the games, which ended in 2009.

Looks like they could have been raking it. I heard that Shannon Elizabeth used to rake the sh*t out of her home game.
Based on one of the posts here. The "host" was tipped by the winning players... And perhaps some of the losing players.

If this was how the house made money, this isn't rake. But I am sure this would become a grey area in terms of the law on whether there was a rake, and or determining the legality of the game.

But what does this have to do with it?

I would assume, and IANAL, that the legality of the game is a criminal matter that is up to the state to decide to take action. And the suit regarding recovery of the money is a civil matter that doesn't really hinge at all on whether the game was legal or not??
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06-22-2011 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kfs
If there was no rake, how could this be an illegal poker game, as the article suggests?
According to the document linked in the story the game was organised by someone called Molly Bloom who organised the location, dealers, paying losses etc and took a fee for doing this. Apparently she set up companies to handle the money.

Molly Bloom is a famous literary character so it's possibly not her real name.
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06-22-2011 , 05:19 PM
That CEO is an idiot... the lawsuit is just a desperate attempt to get his money back and not live on the streets. Dumb fool forgot about the spidey senses.
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06-22-2011 , 05:21 PM
Restitutio in integrum would work.
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06-22-2011 , 05:22 PM
Condictio indebiti might work.
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06-22-2011 , 05:22 PM
Three posts ought to do the job.
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06-22-2011 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Nice to see News, Views and Gossip all in one thread.
+1000
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06-22-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kalv
That CEO is an idiot... the lawsuit is just a desperate attempt to get his money back and not live on the streets. Dumb fool forgot about the spidey senses.
wat?
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06-22-2011 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JackRandall
IMO it's entirely possible that Tobey Maguire is better than Dan Bilzerian.

Why does he have to be a fish just because he's a movie star?
Every movie star I've ever played with is a fish. (LOL samplesizeaments)

But actually, it really does sound like Bilzerian's sour grapes.
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06-22-2011 , 06:07 PM
Pretty sick.

US guys what do you think the verdict is usually in thes type of cases ? Does the guys who filed the suit have any legitamate hope of winning this case ?
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06-22-2011 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Krahv
Pretty sick.

US guys what do you think the verdict is usually in thes type of cases ? Does the guys who filed the suit have any legitamate hope of winning this case ?
Someone actually won a multi million dollar lawsuit by spilling hot coffee on themselves. So anything is possible.

At face value I'd say the probability of this case winning is small, but that's just my completely uneducated opinion. I am not a lawyer and have limited knowledge of California law or any precedents that may be applicable to this case, so it's entirely possible that I'm talking out of my ass here, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone else so I'm not going to let it stop me either.
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06-22-2011 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bolivia
I actually knew a lot of people who played in that game at one point or another, and the stories I heard come from back in 2007.

From what I was told, Tobey and a guy named Houston basically got to decide who was going to be in or who was shut out. If they even sniffed a pro, they wouldn't let them anywhere near the game. There may have been an exception for big name pros though, I don't know. They would let unknowns into the game from time to time, but if they gave no action they weren't allowed back. So to last in the game, people needed to be properly rolled to LAG it up or they wouldn't make it back.

Some chick ran the game. Can't remember her name. It was primarily held at the Four Seasons back in 2007. She made a mint from the game, because the players regularly tipped her from their winnings. That changed one night when Cody Leibel tipped her somewhere around $15k even after losing (lost something over $300k i believe). Some of these regulars said he ruined it for the rest of them because after that night I was told she'd try and get tips from everyone involved (including losers). I'm sure if you didn't tip after that you wouldn't get invited back.

If they were gonna go after anyone, they should go after that chick. It's hard to say whether any player won or lost. She clearly won..... every single night they played, and the game ran weekly.
Do you know who covered the expenses of the game. Suites, food & drinks etc.
I assume dealers just worked for tips
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06-22-2011 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Every movie star I've ever played with is a fish. (LOL samplesizeaments)

But actually, it really does sound like Bilzerian's sour grapes.
Do you blame him? The guy makes more in one movie than Bilzerian will make in his life. Gets access to all the big games going and kills it. All Bilzerian can do is talk **** about Tobey and try to make him look bad because he allegedly cleaned up in the games. I'd be pretty envious too.
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06-22-2011 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
Do you blame him? The guy makes more in one movie than Bilzerian will make in his life. Gets access to all the big games going and kills it. All Bilzerian can do is talk **** about Tobey and try to make him look bad because he allegedly cleaned up in the games. I'd be pretty envious too.
lol pretty sure blizerians are wealthier than tobey will ever be. well close. i dont know how much tobey is worth but blizerians family got to be worth at least a couple of hundred millions
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06-22-2011 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JackRandall
IMO it's entirely possible that Tobey Maguire is better than Dan Bilzerian.

Why does he have to be a fish just because he's a movie star?
I think the implication is that Blitz is the fish
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06-22-2011 , 06:33 PM
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06-22-2011 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Omniheart
lol pretty sure blizerians are wealthier than tobey will ever be. well close. i dont know how much tobey is worth but blizerians family got to be worth at least a couple of hundred millions
What's that got to do with this?

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The guy makes more in one movie than Bilzerian will make in his life.
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06-22-2011 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Blobbage
lol so if he robs his client and donks it off at the track they gonna go after who - the track, the jockey, the horse?
The people who had the winning tickets ldo
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