Cheet is A+ here. Durrrr went on to s career as a politician with issuing a challenge and a bunch of promises. And as all politicians do he lied, schemed and dodged the F out of everyone whilst picking up a nice pay from FTP and probably a sweet parachute when they went the F out of dodge. Quite clever actually.

to be fair, that was many years ago and he has been squeaky clean since then. he's conducted himself perfectly.

Can you elaborate on why Ike was dropped as an arbitrator?? Giving you advice doesn't sound like some kind of breach to me unless what was said was specifically showing he could not be a fair judge. The whole point of picking arbitrators is to not be able to have one person tell them to step down because they don't like their opinion.

Ike has been silent on this issue. Ike is very well respected here and seems like someone that should be a good arbitrator. Would you want him to share his thoughts on all of this? He certainly should have every right if Tom somehow kicked him out of his role on this and it would do wonders to shed some objective light on what the hell is going on behind the scenes assuming it isn't as black and white as Tom is bust and trying to run away from his problems.

I thought durrr was supposed to be a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame.

Do we even know for sure FTP was behind him for the challenge ? I'm pretty sure Dwan made the challenge before he signed with FTP. Now even if FTP did decide to back him for it later on, Dwan should of been clear about it and said it publicly or at least privately to jungle "listen, I'm not going to pay 1.5M$ of my own pocket because FTP was going to pay for me, let's find a way to settle this". Instead, he's just gone MIA.

NOSCITUR A SOCIIS

A+++

I see what you did there. That is f****in brilliant!

I'd forgotten zeejustin said that

voted for scam.
his reputation is already pretty fked up I guess.. I hope he comes out with a statement for his POV.

The memory in NVG is short ( no surprise)

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Originally Posted by mrgr33n13 View Post
This. It's not even up for debate as to whether durrr is a dirtbag w a gambling problem.

Looking over the list of Hall of Famers, I'm not too sure being a "dirtbag w a gambling problem" is a major obstacle to inclusion...

/thread

QFT

Regardless of what Jungle has done in the past, that could call his trustworthiness into question, Durrrr hasn't offered an alternate POV, so there's currently not much evidence against Jungle.



Also this made me lol:

cliffs


- dwan's problem is that FTP agreed to cover 1.5m in case he loses the prop bet
- now FTP wont do this, since its owned by a company that didnt agree to this
- dwan is broke, cant pay up 1.5mil + ~1.5mil more in equity, just like he cant pay 40k/month for not playing
- jungleman doesnt reveal some "secret stuff" about dwan beacause dwan has some dirt on him as well, likely details about the girah scandal
- this challenge will never end, jungle will keep bashing him in interviews/on forums, but for the reason stated above, will never actually take any serious action against dwan and noone will pay anybody anything

Notice how no one has come in this thread (or any I've read) to defend dwan. He's obviously lost a lot of respect from friends and other members of the high stakes community. I don't really get what his intentions are, if he's not going to finish up or agree to settle up with jungle and pay the fines he agreed to abide by (which are probably still adding up now) then he's a scammer.

It's pretty clear they both have a ton of dirt on each other and probably other respected HS pros in the community will be affected.

There is a lot of money on the line here...There is a reason this is not being settled much deeper than broke, scammer, reneging etc.

It is ALL bad for poker if/when the "info" comes out.

The bolded part. Why should he pay something about equity? I thought they could quit whenever they wanted by just paying the sidebet, right? So what he owes is basically $1,5 million minus whatever the chance durrr could climb back is. Very close to zero I guess so essentially he should pay very close to $1,5 million +whatever he owes for not playing, minus $400k which durrr won from jungle in the other prop bet and jungle deducted that from these.

I'll take this type of candor over participating in ESPN fluff pieces.

Nobody is obligated to contribute to this forum and the facts seemingly speak for themselves, but it's sort of embarrassing that players who have a history of weighing in on ethical matters have been so silent.

This is going to be totally unreadable unless someone else types it for him

There isn't a human on earth with an IQ > a rock who doesn't understand that Tom scammed. If he were smashing JMan he would have certainly found a way to finish the challenge. So scummy it's gross. Hope Jungle gets paid bc he's getting ****ed pretty hard right now. If you make a bet and don't pay, you should not have the respect of your peers in the gambling community. But jfc Jman, did you really think Tom would pay you 40K/month for not playing? Tom is a huge favorite

cliffs:

you make **** up out of thin air and state it as fact.

Why the f would you be diplomatic towards someone who is scamming you out of $2m+?

This needs to be said again because some of the comments are getting a bit hysterical:

"Whom did he scam?

The guy made a stupid bet that was probably encouraged/covered in some way by FullTilt. It did not work out and FullTilt collapsed taking with it whatever coverage he had for the bet.

In his mind, he probably believes that he "already paid" Jungle in losses and would never have gone into such a bet without Fulltilt's involvement. That, and not being as flush with cash as he once was makes it easy for him to walk away. The way he has been slandered I don't even see any value to him to pay pennies on the dollar to buy out and buy back his "reputation."

Walk away everyone. Nothing to see here anymore.

For Jungle the lesson is learned: Escrow the money and get it in writing or get lost."

This.
After durrrr lost $5.4m to isildur playing HU it was pretty clear that durrrr had no (essential) edge over Jungle. So why on earth should he play him and pay $1.5m out of his own pocket in a maybe 50/50 chance to win the challenge?
I mean if you make a prop bet you usually can win something or loose something. It does make zero sense to make such a bet where you only can lose unless you have someone who pays it for you. And this one (FTP) got busted during the challenge. I am sure >95% of you would do the same durrrr does. Not paying the $1.5m.