the girah thing is worse than dwan avoiding jungle.

IIRC, Jungle was beating durrr heads up prior to the instigation of the challenge.

Pretty sure I remember a quote from durrr towards Jungleman along the lines of "You always seem to beat me so why not take the durrr challenge?"

Why would you feel bad for people who bet ON him. You should feel good for them the people who might be getting a raw deal are people who bet against.

yeah exactly.

Then Patrik and Durr were scammers long before this.

Everybody knew there would be issues with a challenge like this. They could have easily put in a "play 2K hands a week minimum, be available at such and such times or such and such times minimum" or whatever clause. They didn't.

The people talking about Durr screwing the people who bet on it are so far out of touch with reality it isn't funny.

I know I was railing that game. I was just being sarcastic to someone post. Jungleman character should have no bearing on the Durrrr Challenge.

Cates should probabaly learn to solidify the terms of his bets better when for massive sums of money, whether Dwan is wrong or not. Like put it in escrow for example.

it's not related to the challenge in any way tho

Phil Ivey did vouch for Durrrr

maybe not. but jungle also freerolled dwan for 400k in his bet against the HU machine, reason being dwan scammed him.

it sorta raises the question of whether or not it's okay to scam a scammer. the answer is it obviously isn't if you're an ethical person, though it's interesting to see how it unfolds with the most at stake.

that^

How is this the case? didn't he just deduct it from what Dwan owes him. I don't see what's wrong with that.

This. It's not even up for debate as to whether durrr is a dirtbag w a gambling problem.

I've had 0.5% in the jungleman/durrr challenge since the start, especially back in the day where it was money that could have been useful to me. Durrr is nothing short of a scammer to me since there's no sign that will ever finish and I'm sol on that.

Dam bro sorry for the bad beat, poker kind of reminds me of my dealing days.

How much has been pieced out? Durrrr is scamming a lot more people then Jungleman here...

the "arbitrators" can confirm

Ivey never bothered (more exciting news on that later!), and tom asked ike to stand down because he offered me advice on how to deal with him (tom)

zeejustin is the only current arbitrator

Sounds like you are crossing the streams.

Why do you have to act like Dwan and always say things that imply you'll say more later. This frequent trend of you guys saying **** that implies you have a lot more to say at a later date to shed light on the situation is getting so tired and old. I'm generally very sympathetic to you on this situation but you don't do yourself favors when time after time you say things like "I'll reveal this about durrr later" and "more exciting news on that later!". It sounds like Dwan's "big issue with ftp" that he'd would provide more info on shortly followed by a year of radio silence.

What have the arbitrators said to you? What did Ike say? Why was Dwan allowed to kick him out? Can't you just make clear what the heck is going on here, why you believe Dwan isn't paying. What his friends are saying when you ask them. Is he just bust or is he lying and dodging? etc etc.

And if somehow he is pretending his issue is with FTP, surely you can settle the challenge on any random site and could easily just player lower stakes and scale them accordingly with an escrow if he was actually being legit about this.

I just am trying to be diplomatic to tom by not sharing a bunch of stuff he doesnt want me to, however he makes it difficult since his default response is being as difficult as possible

maybe ike would like to share his opinion of tom here, if he wants

This made me lol pretty hard

There´s probably a dozen or so well known, reputable high stakes players, and you guys choose a known cheat

don't you think this is exactly the type of attitude he's taking advantage of? maybe not in a malicious way, but just in that it enables him to prolong things without communication or explanation indefinitely.

I think a relevant question is do you think there's any chance of the bet being completed or bought out of.

Doesn't his initial response make that obvious?

jungle, I doubt he has any intention of completing this challenge, the way the original terms were set out. He must realize that in addition to almost certainly having to stump up $1.5m when it's over, he will quite possibly lose another million or more in the actual playing. It puts you in an unfortunate position, but I guess he would much rather take the knock to his reputation than almost certainly losing another couple of million dollars (which he probably doesn't even have at the moment).

He was just negating his unethical advantage.