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09-29-2014 , 06:21 PM

#101

1st down all in

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 205

j/m Sell the debt to daniel negreanu, tell you right know no way would he do that to daniel negreanu just needs some one scare him.

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09-29-2014 , 06:28 PM

#102

ohbobbins

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 294

More scummer than scammer imo

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09-29-2014 , 06:46 PM

#103

zizek

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,177

And this kids is why we use escrows and contracts.

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09-29-2014 , 06:51 PM

#104

Katman

adept

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 708

No money in scamming.....everybody's squalid.

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09-29-2014 , 07:05 PM

#105

iPUTnutsONtheTABLE

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 578

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Originally Posted by AllBlackDan

My favourite prop bet move is Dneging.

Bragging to everyone that you can win a certain prop bet, come up with ridiculous terms for it, then not even bothering to start it

Nice one. Durrneging is where you make a bet, keep the time frame for completion in your control, and just never complete it so you can claim you don't owe anything yet.

All signs point to busto for Dwan. If he had money, he would have at least played some online poker in the last 12 months. We need a Macau based PrivateWorld type to get an update on Dwan.

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09-29-2014 , 07:20 PM

#106

littletrix

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 638

The time to call Tom a scammer was long long ago when he actually used to engage with the poker community. He probably doesn't even read 2p2 any more. Feel super bad for cates and anyone who bet on him in the challenge.

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09-29-2014 , 07:30 PM

#107

Donkem

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 359

He is not a scammer, he may simply be dishonest with you lol

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09-29-2014 , 08:34 PM

#108

Soulwaxical

adept

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,021

What is the minimum buy out people would take if they were in Jungleman's position? Assuming Jungle somehow managed to set up a negotiation.

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09-29-2014 , 08:36 PM

#109

mex78753

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 337

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Originally Posted by littletrix

And why should he still engage in the poker community when it so easily turns on everyone? The NVG that takes junglemans side on this issue is the same NVG that'll call him autistic or ******ed the next. I've seen other threads where dudes post pics of down syndrom kids to make fun of jungleman. This is back-stabby community....why care what it thinks of you?

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09-29-2014 , 09:12 PM

#110

Tuma

Worships Amon-Ra

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 16,385

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Originally Posted by Soulwaxical

What is the minimum buy out people would take if they were in Jungleman's position? Assuming Jungle somehow managed to set up a negotiation.

$350,000

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09-29-2014 , 09:47 PM

#111

Win2014WSOP

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 295

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Originally Posted by Spades!

I would not say that Tom Dwan is a scammer. When the rumours are true, then I definitely say he isn't.

The Dwan Challenge was set up by FTP, and rumours say FTP would have paid 1.5M in case Dwan loses the challenge. So after Black Friday things have changed and I am pretty sure that the new FTP, run by pokerstars, is not willing to pay for Dwans foreseeable loss. This is one explanation why Tom was talking about an big issue with FTP.
In my opinion Dwan can not be made accountable for paying the 1.5M to jungleman. Dwan accepted the challenge pre BF under other circumstances, things have changed after BF and Dwan should not be acountable therefore.

Moreover Dwan has no intention to finish this challenge under these circumstances. He realizes that jungleman has an edge on him and since he is not going to pay the 1.5M, finishing the challenge has no sense.

tl;dr: **** happens for Jungleman. You can't make Dwan accountable for Black Friday. And no Dwan is not a scammer.

This.

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09-29-2014 , 09:57 PM

#112

sauce123

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,428

Regardless of what people think of Tom, the more pragmatic issue is to decide on some community standard for handling all the side bets. It's a lot harder for people to welch on the sidebets if the community agrees on a fair(ish) way to settle them.

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09-29-2014 , 09:59 PM

#113

Tuma

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lol, dwan dodged for like a year or more before black friday

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09-29-2014 , 10:04 PM

#114

mex78753

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 337

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Originally Posted by sauce123

There is no community dude. It's everyone out for themselves. This website is just a collection of people who share their thoughts anonymously. There's no power there other than to spread gossip and mud raking. Everyone's reputation seems to get dragged through the mud on these forums. Everyone's a piece of sh*t, everyone's a scammer, people are closet gay etc etc etc Why would anyone sign on to a "community" that'll throw you under the bus any second.

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09-29-2014 , 10:05 PM

#115

cheet

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Originally Posted by Tuma

lol, dwan dodged for like a year or more before black friday

yeah this, everyone acts like they stopped playing BECAUSE of black friday

couldnt be farther from the truth

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09-29-2014 , 10:22 PM

#116

cheet

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If dwan WASNT scamming, he would admit he doesn't have the money/belief in himself to finish this challenge and would set up a payment plan on the $1.5m.

Instead he just arbitrarily pushes things off with vague excuses and racks up a bunch of penalties he doesn't even pay. He clearly has no intention of finishing this, and likely doesn't even have the money to. Instead of showing courtesy to his opponent and those who bet on the challenge, he just ignores the issue and does whatever he wants...as if the rest of his life is more important and those involved deserve nothing.

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09-29-2014 , 10:50 PM

#117

g-p

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6,705

why does everyone trust what jungleman says

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09-29-2014 , 10:56 PM

#118

cheet

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Originally Posted by g-p

why does everyone trust what jungleman says

What do you need to trust him on? The evidence is apparent for anyone to see: dwan has been dodging this challenge for four years. Long before black friday and any problems he had with FTP, [coincidentally] after he was down a **** down

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09-29-2014 , 10:59 PM

#119

DontStep

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 290

In reality who issued the challenge, fulltilt on behalf of dwan or dwan on behalf of dwan?

Imo it was ftp on behalf of dwan and thus he has a real issue with ftp.... and jungle should really understand this.

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09-29-2014 , 11:03 PM

#120

MegaOuts

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Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 324

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Originally Posted by g-p

why does everyone trust what jungleman says

yeah I don't trust Jungleman, I think his mom play for him in the durrr challenge that another reason Durrr don't have to finish the challenge.

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09-29-2014 , 11:03 PM

#121

cheet

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Originally Posted by DontStep

Wrong.

http://www.bluff.com/news/tom-dwan-i...hallenge-1119/

He laid down this challenge offer LONG before he was ever signed with FTP. It was own deal, and likely saw it at as publicity tool that would get him signed with FTP. Pretty sweet deal issue a challenge for your image to get a $1m/a year sponsorship then never even finish it and just pocket the profit

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09-29-2014 , 11:09 PM

#122

Tuma

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 16,385

if anything, jungle purposely played bad or differently against dwan to initiate the challenge. but dwan can't "expose" this because then jungle will talk about (the very likely) equity sharing between dwan+pg+dangs at railheaven, which would cause dwan to expose jungle's MA'ing.

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09-29-2014 , 11:20 PM

#123

cheet

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Originally Posted by Tuma

great theory

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09-29-2014 , 11:31 PM

#124

mex78753

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 337

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Originally Posted by cheet

Oh so the bet is more important than the rest of his life? Jungleman is the only one that has a stake in this. The dudes who made sidebets on this deserve nothing. Prop bets on someone elses prop bets? How degenerate can you get. If I was in junglemans shoe's I'd be justifiably miffed but would write it off in lieu of not being able to force dwan to do anything. If I was in Dwans shoes, I'd keep playing in Macau and not give a f*ck what some random dudes on the internet thought.