Not a quick conclusion. Do you remember when this challenge was issued? And for how long FTP has been back? I'm sure you do, so there is nothing quick about the conclusions that have been made.

If anything I think durrrr has been given the benefit of the doubt for way too long. He has avoided jungle for years without any concrete plans on how to proceed. It's disgusting really :/ If he privately settled out something with jungle then fine, public doesnt even need to know. But jungle is telling there has been no progress whatsoever, so I'm not shocked by the result of the poll.

It's easy to be ethical and a good stand up guy when you're on the top of the world. A person's true nature is revealed at times of the greatest adversity.

Can't he just quit and pay the sidebet? (If he had money to do so). So there is no point in calculating whatever EV you might lose if and when the hands dont get played. Or did I miss something? Was there some weird rule all 50.000 hands need to be played regardless of the result and no quitting and settling?

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thats why jman doesnt speak

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But Tom isnt a fly-flap

Yea it has been a long 4 years now I know this I been following it. Jungle has been getting ignored and there has been no progress. This is Durrrr though not some random so yes it is hard for me to believe that he won't settle this problem somehow. I give Durrrr the benefit of the doubt because he hasn't led me to believe otherwise.

Maybe Jungle should just come out with all the dirt so we can some to a more solid conclusion.

ducy?

Wow, that is unreasonable. If you really asking for 2.5m I can justify why Dwan doesn't want to pay you. He ask you to escrow $500,000 for sidebet in case you give up & walk away from the challenge. Dwan should able to do the same, walk away and forfeiting 1.5M side bet. The whole 'Durrrr Challenge' is to see who is the best 4-table HU player in the world is, and the act of forfeiting the side bet should be a conclusion of the challenge. You asking for 1M more?....wow, just wow. I think I am willing to bet 1 of you will be dead before this is settle.

dear god I want to know the suspense is killing me!

i was asking for much less than 2.5, forgot to put that in

Dude you gotta work on ur reading comprehension. He's not saying he wants him to pay 2.5 mm to buy out, nor would a buy out always be for the full 1.5 or 500k on either side (though I wouldn't let him but out for a dime less at this point) ... As you say, wow, just wow, smh.

what don't you understand here?

dwan has been accruing penalties and not paying them, they are continuing and increasing in size

recently jungle lost a crossbook to dwan but feels he shouldn't pay it if durrr isn't honoring the penalties and will continue to not pay them as they reach six-figures the end of this year

what do you need to trust him on? do you think he's lying about not getting paid?

He didn't say that's what he asked for, he just said that was his estimate of how much more he would win if the challenge played out to conclusion.

Looking at the past results it seems fair to me.

Obv if dwan wanted to buy out/settle earlier it would be for less.

Yeah reading comprehension is not my strongest suit...lol. My bad. My understanding of side bet of the 'durrrr challenge' is prevent other from simply walking away from the challenges & the generous odd is to entice willing participant. I guess it doesn't matter what amount they willing to settle if they do come to agreement, we just want a conclusion of the very publicize 'durrrr challenge'!

Waiting to hear from Ike in anticipation!

Wonder what friends 'tom is losing/has lost' according to jungle? Is Galfond on that list?

A this point im pretty sure Jungle would take 1M to just get this thing over with tbh. He still loses 500k on sidebet equity and probably a ton in EV on hands left to be played but what can he do?

Also it does seem kinda strange this big wall of silence all the highstakes regs/arbitrators and even jungleman have over this situation.

Obv isildur1

from the sounds of it unless i missed something, not only has dwan never owed jungleman money but throughout the entire challenge jungleman has owed dwan significant amounts of money. i think the same thing was realized the last time jungleman started complaining about things. the only valid complaint that jungleman has is that the challenge has been delayed but these penalties were agreed upon to offset that. why is it ok for jungleman to agree to the penalties and then continue to bash dwan and make various threats to reveal private information all while owing him money the entire time?

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Scum in general will find many reasons not to pay what is owns, this would be a very LEGIT reason not to pay from the view point of the scum.

Let say the chance of scum paying is 0.00001%, than you out them/hurt their feeling than you looking at 0.00000000000000001%. Of course this percentage is pulling out of my ass but I think you get the point.

I believe it was revealed Jungle owed money for a period of time that was much smaller than the total length of this challenge. The structure of the penalty agreement was that they increase over time. At some point these penalties will meet then exceed the xbook loss. I think it's pretty reasonable for Jungle to be cautious about paying when all evidence points to him getting freerolled.

I'm really appalled by this post, why is it ok from Dwan to agree to penalties and then not pay them? They're not real penalties if he's ignoring them. You expect Jungle to just kept taking his word for it, hoping that one day Dwan will pay?

If Tom Dwan was offered a buyout by Jungle, why hasn't he snapped his hand off for it? Surely he knows that Jungle is a big favorite vs him now and that even a $1.5million payoff is massively +ev for him? Surely a smart person would take the offer instead of agreeing to fines that will force him to play a -ev game? Surely a smart person wouldn't agree to the fines and then just not play anyway?

Have you read dwans lasts post about it? He thinks -30 bi isn't that big of a deal and hes got a fighting chance

but more than 1.5 total

Wow. Seems like 4 years in a Macau casino really can make you lose your mind.