I was watching a some utube vid yesterday and i saw the CEO of ACR/ WPN Phill Naggy mention that one of the ideas hes been 'kicking around' is adding a 'nano' stake tables to ACR where a penny or a dollar would represent something like 100 BBs. He also mentioned the first penny or dollar would be free if u watched an ad or something. I was just wondering what every1 thought about this idea. yay or nay/

personally, I like this idea. It gives beginners and zynga players/ play money players somewhere to play without any risk.

Big Ugly Poker had the same concept and i cashed out a few bucks before they went out of business... man, I miss that site and the regs i used to play with there.

I think it would be better to get rid of micro tables and go back to $50nl being the lowest stake more than adding even lower levels for people to start honing their skills in / having people grinding a living 30 tabling even smaller stakes mindlessly in their country with $1/day avg income

They already have nano stakes, it's the $2 tables, just put the free money on there. WTF at creating lower stakes lol.

I agree with this, or at least nl20 and nano/micro stakes should be abolished

they should open up more live poker rooms and offer 0.01/0.02 cash games and micro tournaments. membership fees and enormous rake. ($5 mtt $2 goes into prize pool and $3 goes toward the poker club)

fairly cheap entertainment and keeps the pros and wannabe pros away. and if 30 players rock on up to play theres still a chance of making $20-$30 potentially.

Wtf lol no !

How the f is this gonna be profitable for a casino never mind an actual person

Seriously hope u are trolling

The casino would take a portion of every pot which they call rake.

There it is. The most incoherent and irrational post I've seen on 2p2 this year. Bravo!

WoW. There it is, people finally don't understand sarcasm anymore.

i hate the idea of killing the extant micro / nano stakes games. clearly there are people that like to play these games, and they help poker be more accessible to more people.

It would be an interesting experiment. It seems to me that the hassle of payment processing and transaction fees would make it unprofitable to offer such low stakes games - but it would certainly be interesting to see unfold.

There are a huge number of people who play play money games as it is, I doubt that the $2 (or whatever) current minimum stakes is the issue, and I doubt that making the minimum buy-in 10c or 1c or whatever is going to solve that problem.

I think it would be nice. Where else could one put in $1.00 for 10k BB, and shove every hand to blow off some steam? Pissing off all the players at the table really helps with tilt.

good idea

Some great points here. Poker sites have a minimum deposit to make it worth covering the transaction fee. So if someone's going to deposit the minimum 10 dollars, why wouldn't they just play 1c/2c instead of these ultra nano stakes?

If someone's not willing to deposit 10 bucks to play poker online, it's probably not because they're worried about losing that amount of money.

I'm taking my talents to the nanos

GTFO with that I'm poor as **** and I think this is dumb

Sounds like a good idea to me. It’s very obvious that a large number of people like the game of poker but are not interested in playing in games where they have to deposit real money.

So instead of making players deposit $10 to play NL2, which involves a transaction where the payment processor takes something like 10% of the deposit and the poker room has to balance that out with own money, you let them play NL1 or NL 0.1 for free in exchange for watching one or two adds. I am pretty sure Candy Crush makes a decent amount of money from players watching adds.

You could even add a stipulation that in case somebody wants to withdraw money from those games, they have to pay back that initial freebie.

Removing micro stakes is obviously not feasible. Those games were added because players wanted to be able to play smaller and smaller stakes. It’s not 2005 anymore, the majority of players aren’t willing to deposit significant amounts of money for online poker. That golden age of online poker ended way before Black Friday.

I wont be playing them, so I really don't care

If you play NL10 on ACR, the effects of them introducing those games will certainly be felt at your stake.

This is a good point and so is poker site profitability. If you deposit a small amount like a did and grind it up from the micros you can see where 2nl and 10 nl takes a lot of the action away from 5nl and plo, those games are barren a lot of times. It would be just like having high stakes hu gut the ring games.


Honestly I'm already worried about zoom gutting the normal games and zoom turning into a breakevenfest like you here about on Stars. A small room shouldn't split up it's player pool so much imo.

don't worry about poor people being able to play for pennies worry about getting rid of the god dam bots

The amount of the buy in does not dictate the Big Bet or the starting chip count/value.

How often have you played at a home game where $20 gets you 5,000 in chips?

Same f'n concept, nothing new except they're doing it on a site.

People from North Korea grinding a living at 0.001/0.002

Make it happen Nagy

I've often heard about the difficulty of converting players from play money to real money. I wonder if this idea could serve as a hybrid to facilitate that transition?

Take the notorious Zynga Hold 'Em Poker app, for example. It's not uncommon for the more avid players to build the introductory stack into several billion, without spending a dime. So what if these nanostake chips could be sold back to the site? It might be $1 for every million or some ridiculously low redemption value (obviously, lower than what the site sells them for).

Making even the tiniest initial deposit is a bridge too far for many otherwise avid play-money players. But perhaps the idea of "nanostakes" would, well, bridge that gap.

Actually NLHE games with buyins of less than $1 already exist on Indian poker sites like Spartan Poker. There 1 rupee = 1.4 cents USD and they have games where the blinds are a fraction of a ruppe. Anything that makes real money poker more democratic and more open to a wider segment of the population is imo a good thing.