I agree that both the vaxxed and unvaxxed are spreading it. However, out of 333 million Americans, 208 million are fully vaccinated. And only 72 million Americans have received a booster.

Many of those who are unvaxxed and unboosted are children of course, and are not eligible yet.

It seems that every poster ITT who’s defending Tim isn’t even considering the possibility that he might have actually been vaccinated (as he claims). They just think that the rule was unjust, and it doesn’t matter if he broke it.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

Seems like a bad idea for Caesers/WSOP to let players decide which rules to follow, irrespective of your position on the efficacy of the Covid vaccine.

Just thought I'd post these for reference:

https://www.wsop.com/2021/







Regardless of vaccination views - rules are rules, no matter how dumb you think they are.

Gambling age in the UK is 18 - I think it's dumb 18 Y/O's can't play in WSOP. If I faked an ID and went to WSOP and played it would still be breaking the rules, and I am not sure of any player that would disagree that I should be DQ'ed and banned from future events. Can't see how vaccine can be any different.

Yeah, I don't disagree with you here borg. In hindsight it was naive to think it wouldn't happen. At the time however, it really didn't register as a concern.

It’s different because for a lot of people getting the vaccine is a political decision, completely unhinged from reason, medical knowledge and concern for the safety/wellbeing of those around them.

I understand what you're saying as omicron does seem to evade both vaccine and natural immunity better than other strains.

Vaccination does still reduce the chance of infection (albeit at a lower level) which translates to a lower chance of being infectious to those around you.

Also omicron wasn't a dominate variant during the WSOP (to the best of my knowledge).

I know the many arguments people have for not getting the vaccine. But I don't know how those arguments make it any more OK to break a specific rule surrounding it?

So what you're saying is because a rule is determined by something that a lot of people don't agree with, that makes it OK to break?

That seems to be part of it. These same people also supported a violent insurrection and attack on the capitol so it’s safe to assume they don’t care about laws anymore.

However, it’s pointless to try to make sense out of a line of thinking that’s completely detached from logic/reason. I don’t think you’re going to get anywhere with that approach.

I relied on a comment by Pres. Biden yesterday the only 35 million were now not vaxed. It appears at best that was an error. But even assuming only 208 million are vaxed, they outnumber the unvaxed.

The limited (very limited) protection from contraction provided doesn’t change the math enough. Especially when some of the unvaxed have natural immunity. And though omicron evades that also it is better than that provided by vaxes.

But also the comment I responded to was present tense. It was about now not what happened on Oct/Nov.

Every ****ing thread gets derailed over the vaccine. I think the mods have given up trying to enforce anything here.

Given that a couple of posts were deleted by mods just 10 minutes before you posted this, it would seem that you are mistaken. This is a thread about a faked vaccine card, so it's undoubtedly a little more difficult to know where to draw the line, but if you see posts you think are an issue, reporting them is always more productive than complaining about them in the thread (if you already have, thanks!). If that fails, you can also post in the NVG moderation thread.

There’s really not much to discuss if you take away the pro/anti vaccination arguments.

Tim Reilly violated very clear rules set forth by the WSOP. Tim Reilly knowingly violated federal law by using a fake vaccination card. Any sane person should agree that there should be ramifications for his actions.

Normally this wouldn’t even be subject to “debate” but people have very extreme and entrenched opinions surrounding Covid vaccination.

So you also believe those who violated segregation laws during the civil rights movement should have faced legal ramifications? Laws are not inherently moral.

Whether laws are immoral or not does not mean you have a right to break them. Laws are set and citizens have to abide by them. If you don't agree with the laws in your country there are plenty of other countries to choose from.

If you worked for a company that introduced a mandatory vaccine mandate that you didn't agree with, you have two options. Leave your job and work for a company without said rules, or follow the rules. It really is that simple.

It’s been said many times in many different ways that we have a moral obligation to break unjust laws. I think most people agree with that.

Vaccine-truthers like to believe that their actions are heroic in the same way that MLK Jr.‘s were (see Tim’s post comparing himself to Colin Kaepernick. I’ve also seen truthers compare themselves to Rosa Parks).

Their delusions of grandeur would be humorous if it wasn’t so sad. There’s nothing brave about their selfishness, but they try to elevate themselves by using civil rights leaders and revolutionary figures as peers.

I would like to see some kind of poll on this. I don't think 'most people' think it's OK to break a law under any circumstances. 'Most people' probably DO break laws, but I don't think you would find that they would overwhelmingly agree that it's OK to do so.

Agree 100%.

There’s no reason to even humor SimpleRick with a response here.

I just hope for his sake that he’s trolling and doesn’t actually believe that he brought up a valid point.

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

Ayn rand

His quote is completely valid. Do you have an answer to his question?

Source on this?

Now now quit using that logic on us

You guys all do realize that the dealers at the WSOP didn't have to be vaccinated right? The people who had the highest number of interactions with others. But you're all up in arms over one jerk not being vaccinated...

His answer is clear. The rules are the rules and if you as a black person wanted to break segregationist laws you deserved to be hit with a fire hose and put in jail.

We can disagree whether the vaccine mandate is wrong or not but let's at least agree that the people violating it aren't common criminals. Whether they're misguided or not, they feel the law is wrong.

And no one can refute it because I got the info straight from "the most trusted name in news- CNN".

I want to make it very clear on my anti-obese people stance also, I have no nuance. Even big jacked meatheads who are not fat but qualify as obese should also not be allowed to play in this year's WSOP in my opinion. Because that's science.

Um, why was this post not deleted ? But my post containing a clip from faucci himself which said exactly the same thing, was deleted? Makes zero sense