I agree, but the days of good hotel deals might be gone anyway when they move out of the Rio.

With the late May to mid July schedule the last couple of years, the only relatively cheap stretch for hotel rooms on the Strip was the post ID4 window. I vaguely remember June being not too bad before they started having EDC in Vegas but since that started in 2011 I think that somewhat changed. Maybe that’s different again now that EDC moved to the weekend before MDW?

Why can't it be both?

I think the attendance hit is somewhat debatable (I agree there probably is one, but maybe not as much as some think), but you're missing the more important point for this year - this isn't a simple fall vs summer attendance issue. There's this pandemic thing that is less likely to affect attendance the further you punt down the road. So it may be that they have similar/more revenue AND present a safer event.

You could be right, but it is also possible they figured Vegas will already be booming with leisure visitors through Labor day. Therefore, sheduling the wsop for the fall, when a lot of conventions probably will not return just yet, will keep traffic up. I can't say definitively just pure speculation on my part, but what I am getting at is the decision was perhaps not purely based on potential covid restrictions. Not that any of this matters though as the decision has been made and there will be plenty of other options for people wanting to play during the summer months.

I think you overestimate how many people want to go to Vegas in the weeks leading up to Labor Day. Even if there’s a decent uptick this year, that would get Vegas from “dead” to “not that busy”.

As far as conventions go, there isn’t that much at the Rio anyway and hasn’t been in years. This year they have that pool championship right before the WSOP and that’s probably it. The WSOP isn’t some kind of CES
style mega event that has the whole city buzzing. It affects the Rio and surrounding properties like Palms and Gold Coast and every poker room in town but that’s about it.

If that's true then locals play a bigger role than most realize.

Regarding the pool convention, that normally goes mid July immediately after WSOP. So if you are correct they went ahead and rescheduled that show in preference to WSOP. Notwithstanding covid concerns (which apply to that show as well as Vegas in general), that gives us an insight into WSOP organizers thinking. That is, take the $ hit, but get an event on the map before more interest is lost. 3 years would be a long time with no event.

IMO this makes it more likely of additional precautions, such as masks and/or plexiglass.

in previous year there has always been a link listing the schedules of some casinos i know none out yet i wonder if link will appear this year?? if anyone aware please people??

That's because this is all tentative for right now. And for good reason. I live 4 hours away and I'm not even making the trip if it's plexiglass and masks at every table.

In the 2019 main event, 8.1% of players listed Nevada as their state of residence. That was #2 behind 12.3% from California.

FWIW, I still think there’s a very decent chance the main reason why the WSOP announced their tentative schedule on 4/1 was the Venetian series announcement the prior day.

Even if the numbers are 50 percent of 2019 (Ill take the over) its just will be good to have it back. Even for the people on here saying they are too busy to go in the fall very few cant make a Thrusday-Sunday or Sat-Tuesday work if they try hard enough. Also by September every single person in the country thats wants to be vaccinated will be.

"I can't make it" is often a different way of saying "it's not up high enough on my list of priorities". The reason why people say they can't make it doesn't really change anything though.

Wouldn't there be a higher percentage of vacation/leisure there at that time? You are right though. In any normal year the WSOP is small potatoes relative to Vegas, but if big conventions are not returning till 2022 then it becomes more valuable possibly. I am not knowledgeable enough to know all the ins and outs of Vegas, like when it's most busy or what type of visitors are around at different times. However, WSOP players, which are unique leisure visitors that otherwise would not be there, could be more important for them this year.

Using 8.1% as a floor, NV residents participating in the smaller events, satellites, and dailies are probably upwards of 15%.

Venetian finalized the dates.

There aren't many reasons to take a random vacation to Vegas between ID4 and Labor Day. Unless those two month are the only availability on your schedule, there's always a better time in the year to go.

Something like a weekend trip or special occasion like birthday or bachelor party are obviously different. But if people go on a real vacation of 5+ days, not many want to spend that time strictly indoors. Even pool parties die down after Independence Day because it's just way too hot in the middle of the day. Same for stuff like golf or hiking in Red Rock. You can't even comfortably eat dinner on a patio without cool misters in July because it's in the mid 90s+.

The reason you go is getting off work is easier and there is less to do in your home city at this time. A lot of other people are on vacation too. It also is already hot in your own city, so why not spend it in Vegas if you are already going to be hot? Stuff like football/school have yet to start up yet as well. Sure there may be better times to be in Vegas but those times are less convenient to go. I guess we have a difference in opinion on what reason the majority of people go to Vegas. I just can't think many people would be deterred from going to Vegas based on heat when it's hot basically everywhere during that time.

Texas Rangers home game yesterday with 38,000 fans, no attendance restrictions, supposed to wear masks when not eating or drinking but didn't look like many were. I guess most people would be eating or drinking all the time any way. lol

DAT Poker Podcast Episode #98

0:09​ Intros - Heads Up Duel Discussion Begins
11:30​ DNegs, Hellmuth beef continued
58:30​ WSOP 2021 Details, Vaccines & Masks Required?
1:11:15​ Postle Updates - Lawsuit Dropped
1:13:00​ Tweets of the week
1:24:30​ VMs, Interesting chip debacle from 2019 WSOP, Matt Savage joins to give a ruling.

Interesting discussion regarding the chip debacle. The fact that different chip values were so similar in color and even same value chips in two different colors at the WSOP was completely ridiculous for such a prestigious tournament.

I was playing the Big 50 and witnessed a similar debacle during the first level. Blinds were 100-200 and the player in middle position raised it to 500 and it folds around to the small blind who takes back his 100 chip and throws in a single 500 chip. Only it wasn't 500. He accidentally threw in 25,000.

There was a lot of discussion going on about what happened, but the dealer was adamant it was a raise and the one chip rule didn't apply because the player took back the 100 chip before throwing out the 25,000 chip. Everyone seemed sympathetic and even asked if he could take it back, but the middle position clearly didn't struggle with any moral dilemma and immediately went all in and the player folded.

The floor wasn't called, which they probably should've, so I'm wondering if that was the correct decision. There were obviously a lot of new players at this tournament and many of them probably have never played outside of a home game. I just wonder what would've happened if the SB had something like pocket Queens and called the All-in. Would the middle position player be ok with that action then? If they are an inexperienced player and the chips being so similar, it might not have been an angle shoot.

pretty sure that was a bad ruling, taking back the chip and throwing out a chip only counts as a raise if the original chip was enough to be a call of the initial bet

Sweet. I'm in. I won't have a timeline until they announce more specifics, but I'll fit something in. I was lucky enough to get the Pfizer shots a while back, so I'm not super, super worried.

As others have said, turnout will be really interesting given the combination of skewed time frame and pent-up demand. People mentioned how bad the weather is in Vegas during June/July, and from that standpoint this is a clear win.

Update on the V series:

I don't know if the bigger fool is the one who plays without a mask, or the one who plays with one, or the idiots who think pexiglass is worth anything.

Experts: Las Vegas recovery will be ‘quicker and stronger than expected’

"A number of positive trends have emerged in recent weeks, with analysts reporting that resort foot traffic and occupancy rates are quickly closing in on pre-pandemic levels. Various gaming experts say they’re bullish on a speedy recovery in Las Vegas.

“January, there were some improvements. February, probably OK. But March appears to really be seeing strength in Vegas, as well as across the country, at least anecdotally from companies,” according to Barry Jonas, an analyst with Trust Securities."

"Las Vegas occupancy rates are hovering around 95 percent on the weekends, according to a Monday report from Morgan Stanley. Midweek occupancy rates are between 50 and 60 percent, a major improvement from 30 percent in February."

"Union Gaming analyst John DeCree told the Review-Journal he thinks the industry will recover “quicker and stronger than expected.”

“There is significant pent-up demand for entertainment from the U.S. consumer, and Las Vegas is the entertainment capital of the U.S.,” DeCree said.

Things should continue to improve into the summer, especially with casino floor occupancy restrictions set to ease back as soon as next month. Raising capacities for large events and airlines should also help accelerate Las Vegas’ recovery, DeCree said."

"Volume was even higher the last weekend of March at nearly 70 percent pre-pandemic levels, Katz said."

Great article, it’s good to see Vegas coming back. But personally for myself and others, we can’t commit to WSOP until we see the restrictions on masks, plexiglass, distancing lifted or made optional. I think a lot of us are with Daniel when he says grinding for 12+ hours in a mask would be uncomfortable. Even with breaks every two levels I don’t want to deal with it. Hats off to those who can do that.

Pretty sure I could find 'experts' positing the exact opposite view fairly easily. Until there is significantly higher uptake of the vaccines worldwide and more data on the length of their effectiveness any predictions on the extent or quality of recovery are pretty meaningless as there remains too much uncertainty as to what will happen with the pandemic.

Just for the sake of argument: if you think grinding for 12+ hours in a mask would be uncomfortable, how comfortable do you think it would be lying in a hospital bed for days/weeks wearing one 24/7. It's also surprising that anyone is still working as a Doctor or Nurse a this point, if wearing one for 12+ hour shifts is so onerous.

I think that anyone hoping for the WSOP to be completely free of masks, plexiglass, social distancing & 10 handed is going to be very disappointed. There is almost certainly going to be some form of mitigation measure in place, even if it is just to protect the staff working the event rather than to protect the players.