Why would that be a big deal for management? It would be in the rules and the players know they are taking that chance.

So all the people applauding the player vax rules were looking out for management and not their health?

Obviously anyone who gets booted and losing their equity is at risk for causing a scene, even if they "know they are taking that chance." And nobody, neither management nor players, wants to deal with that.

Especially if that person poses a safety risk. We've all heard stories about people gunning down retail employees just for enforcing mask rules. How unruly do you think people are going to get if they were to have thousands of dollars forfeited?

Need a source on all those stories.

The mass shooting risk is now factored into the vax discussion. That's a new take.

Guess we should factor that in when considering any live poker tourney. Guy takes a bad beat for piles of EV and then just starts mowing everyone down.

Personally, I do not see how this latest rule is going to hold up imho. Something will have to give. All players must be vaxxed but not any of the dealers? That's ridiculous. If hospitals can make the tough business decision to let some of their nurses go b/c they refuse the vaccine (despite that industry being all the more short-staffed), then a casino can too!

Come on, it's not like pro poker players are the whiniest people on the planet about every tiny little rule nuance-- oh wait

Do you seriously believe if someone gets their entry forfeited, they won't freak the **** out?

Because you asked:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=efcbf85764eb
https://www.abc12.com/2020/08/31/4-f...o-stand-trial/
https://www.ksla.com/2021/02/27/disp...pect-arrested/
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/...over-face-mask
https://www.thetrace.org/2020/05/cor...tings-tracker/

From the last one: "We’ve spotted at least 20 shootings related to these restrictions since the first statewide lockdown went into effect on March 19, 2020. According to an analysis of news clips and Gun Violence Archive data, at least five people have died and 13 have been wounded in incidents that run the gamut from disputes over coughing in public to anger at businesses refusing service to customers who aren’t wearing masks. "

I get it and they are allowed to have those feelings. Feelings aren't facts though. Poker makes the WSOP, not the other way around. If the WSOP didn't run these pros would move to another series at another casino. Source? I was a pro for years, now I guess I am semi-pro since it is side income. The WSOP is a service that is used to make money. If it was the only service then I would agree with you, but it isn't. So overall it is a luxury for the poker world.

Negreanu actually sums it up nicely. https://twitter.com/RealKidPoker/sta...224258560?s=20

So 20 attempted shootings in 1.5 years in a country of 328m people is a significant risk in your mind?

You all talk like someone who has decided to go or not owes you an explanation. I will factor the potential for players being vaccinated and dealers not being vaccinated into any decision I make as a induvial. When I have considered all the factors I make my decision. I don't have to tell you, explain it or justify it to you. I am going, end of story! If you do not want to go so be it, I don't need to know why.

Also I am not sure I agree with the statement that dealers have an in demand skill set for other non gambling related business. I would not hire the majority of them for my businesses. I apologize to all the PHD's currently working as dealers.

One shooting is too many.

and I'm telling you that there is nothing hypocritical about trying to live in a real world.

Im just gonna repeat myself: I feel like a lot of antivaxxers and covid deniers never understood that it was never about total victory, 0 deaths etc....we're trying to jungle trade offs and adjust risks, that's it.

It's not about stopping covid, it's about getting back to living our lives as soon as possible as safely as possible. If the rights of few morons suffer, so be it, but we need to get back to living our lives.

I want my ****ing luxuries and so should you. And fwiw I'd attend WSOP, or any party, with unvaxxed people too, just because of my risk profile, doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer everyone around me to be vaxxed.

I'm happy WSOP decided they can afford to ban unvaxxed players and I accept that they cannot ban unvaxxed dealers, I really don't see the hypocrisy.

But you needed to tell everyone you were going after unvaxed players were eliminated.

So do unvaxed dealers not carry COVID like unvaxed players? Or was it never about your safety?

My guess is that the WSOP could adjust their dealer policy in light of strong player feedback. Maybe up the incentives for dealers to get vaccinated. Maybe not use unvaccinated dealers for WSOP events (use them elsewhere?). Hopefully there are such avenues resulting in all WSOP dealers being vaccinated.

Get ready for very little cash game selection in vegas, long alternate wait times and the cancelling of the low roller daily events.

This is going to be a dumpster fire.

It was already said several weeks ago that Most if not all the other Caesars poker rooms in town will temp shut down so all the dealers can work the WSOP because they are so short of dealers.

If they have a dealer must be vax policy, then the shortage will grow more and their bottom line will shrink more.

Can you stop with your hysterical game of gotcha semantics? He didn't say there was a significant risk of a shooting so spare the disingenuous BS, he said significant risk of people flipping out. There are thousands of videos of people flipping out just because of having to wear a mask, throwing groceries on the floor etc.

These threads all went ballistic when the WSOP Covid rule was first announced because of what an untenable risk it created for players.

And, yes, anyone with any common sense who isn't just having a toddler poopy fit can see that business and management logistics will go into any WSOP rule. JFC.

it's a luxury for almost everyone even pros. there are other tournaments and cash games in town at the same time, series in florida all the time etc.i know plenty of pros who don't even go to wsop every year, might go for a week etc.if the wsop getting cancelled takes away your livelihood you were probably going broke anyway.

Switch unvaxxed with a protected class. The WSOP stance is unvaxxed can't use their service but they will use them to provide their service. Do you see the hypocrisy now?

What other company has taken that stance? I understand only allowing vaccinated customers and requiring employees to be vaccinated. I understand serving unvaccinated/vaccinated and requiring employees to be vaccinated. I understand serving both and not requiring employees to be vaccinated.

Krax I do apologize, your comment was the one I latched onto in the beginning. This is for everyone who has taken a stance, on either issue and on either side. Their stance/opinion is void once they participate in October. They support the above hypocrisy. That will be a lot of people in this thread. And that is what I find funny.

Unvaccinated people are a protected class?

I don't see that situation too different from a company who requires lower level (aka easier to replace) employees to get flu shots every year but not higher level employees (aka more difficult to replace). That even happens at public universities.

That is the complete opposite of what I just said lol. Lower level EMPLOYEE'S are required. In this example the dealers would be required to get a flu vaccine and everyone else wouldn't. The exact opposite of what I said.

You are correct, they are not protected I will edit my post.

This.

Eh, supporting/condoning the hypocrisy and dealing with it aren't the same thing.

I think there's a strong chance they change their minds, but assuming they don't... well, I'm pissed and I think it's a rather unethical policy, but I'm still going to go.

So far, only in Montana, legislation pending in other states.

In the WSOP context, dealers are the ones who are hard to replace because of the shortage.

If the WSOP had long lines outside their doors of qualified dealers who wanted to work the series, they would probably only choose vaccinated ones.

Just say the truth, I'm a hypocrite and it was never about my safety