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View Poll Results: Should the WSOP exclude unvaccinated players?
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09-24-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DMoogle
I think the point that he was making/questioning is that if they're only checking vaccine status upon event registration, how will they be able to police this at cash tables?
ANYONE playing in the WSOP tournament area - tournaments, cash game satellites, one-table and multi-table satellites need to be fully vaccinated. That means you need to visit the Belize room to show your vaccination or Clear app with your vaccination details.

That means you're probably going to need to have a Caesars Rewards card as your proof of vaccination will be noted when you scan your card.
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09-24-2021 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath

That means you're probably going to need to have a Caesars Rewards card as your proof of vaccination will be noted when you scan your card.
This part has me confused: How does my Caesars Rewards card know my vaccination status?
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09-24-2021 , 01:39 PM
I don't think a ceasars rewards card would be necessary since they just scan the QR code in the clear app
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09-24-2021 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
A Rascal would be better because you can ride it inside the casino.
Good thinking.

A month ago I was at a casino w/ buddies playing some pit games and some rando (evidently a whale) jumped in some other guy who was sitting at a slot machine rascal and floored it all around the casino floor for 3-4 minutes before returning it to the guy. The whale then bounced around between my table & another on a busy weekend night while the whole time the dealers saved him a spot at both tables even while they were limiting the # of people at tables because of covid.
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09-24-2021 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yakhillclimb
Anyone know if the cash games at the Rio will be maskless like the WSOP?
Not sure they will be offering cash games this year.

Early word is that they will be running single table satellites and the scheduled tourneys each day. They are super duper short staffed as far as dealers go....
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09-24-2021 , 04:17 PM
STS make less sense than CGs
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09-24-2021 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
it's 425 after fees
Overlay only happens if total payout is greater than total buyin (including fees) .

https://www.bobcasino.com/blog/overlay/
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09-24-2021 , 06:21 PM
So what are the chances of the following scenario?

Someone plays in, say for example, only the Main Event. The person does not have Covid before the event begins. Person got vaccinated and did even a test at the start. But by its end, that same person not only wins the Main Event but also finds out he/she now somehow has Covid to go along with the title and money. Title and money won't be taken away, right? It is not like the player "snuck" in or did something stupid like present a fake vaccine card etc. Tests do show false positives (and negatives) rather frequently.
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09-24-2021 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HurtLocker
So what are the chances of the following scenario?

Someone plays in, say for example, only the Main Event. The person does not have Covid before the event begins. Person got vaccinated and did even a test at the start. But by its end, that same person not only wins the Main Event but also finds out he/she now somehow has Covid to go along with the title and money. Title and money won't be taken away, right? It is not like the player "snuck" in or did something stupid like present a fake vaccine card etc. Tests do show false positives (and negatives) rather frequently.
Why would someone be tested after they won? Or why would they be tested just before winning and not finding out the results until after they won?
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09-24-2021 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Why would someone be tested after they won? Or why would they be tested just before winning and not finding out the results until after they won?
All reasonable questions that only the WSOP can answer I suppose. In general, many posters think what happens to a player who wins but the WSOP finds out after they won that they have Covid. Many assume the prize money would be forfeited along with the title, right? But I was perhaps adding a different angle to that simplicity assuming the player was not trying to sneak in with a fake Covid passport etc.
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09-24-2021 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HurtLocker
All reasonable questions that only the WSOP can answer I suppose. In general, many posters think what happens to a player who wins but the WSOP finds out after they won that they have Covid. Many assume the prize money would be forfeited along with the title, right? But I was perhaps adding a different angle to that simplicity assuming the player was not trying to sneak in with a fake Covid passport etc.
But again, how would the WSOP find out someone was positive after winning a tournament? And even if they found out, how could they prove they were covid positive before winning (ie, while playing)?
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09-24-2021 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by crsseyed
This part has me confused: How does my Caesars Rewards card know my vaccination status?
I would assume (and that gets me in enough trouble) that it'll be noted when you register for tournaments that you've been vaccinated, likely the same way they have other data about you.
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09-25-2021 , 04:21 AM
Any German/European player already did the vaccination status check with WSOP?
If so, what papers have been accepted/were necessary?
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09-25-2021 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
But again, how would the WSOP find out someone was positive after winning a tournament? And even if they found out, how could they prove they were covid positive before winning (ie, while playing)?
Your questions keep circling back to the conundrum of how can the WSOP management possibly disqualify any player after the fact. In a way, that's the point. Perhaps, whether a player is truly vaccinated with proper documentation or not at the beginning, it may be impossible to distinguish between those who innocently got covid during the series vs. anti-vaxxers who got through with face vaccine cards etc. from the start. Heck, the vaccine does not do a great job of protecting against infection (relative to severe illness, hospitalization and death) anyway.
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09-27-2021 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath


Those are Tournament Buy-In Accounts, you can find more info over at wsop.com/registration


Is "WSOP Main Cage in Tropical Ballroom" the normal registration place for wsop events?

Can you get tournament buy in account funds that you don't use refunded?

#kevmath
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09-27-2021 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Is "WSOP Main Cage in Tropical Ballroom" the normal registration place for wsop events?

Can you get tournament buy in account funds that you don't use refunded?

#kevmath
Also, I reached out to the Rio to verify the wire information. They responded with the below. Note that the account numbers and such are different from that PDF. I'm not sure if there are multiple, or if the WSOP handles things differently/separately from the Rio:

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Hi there,

Can I make a wire transfer to the Rio with my name and player # in the notes, and have full access to the money to play in the WSOP events or cash games when I come in October? The attached document is what I'm referencing.
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Thank you for contacting Rio Las Vegas! It is my pleasure to assist you with your question of wiring money. To wire money, please include within the wire transmittal instructions, your name and Caesars Rewards account number. Please note that all transfers must be $5,000 or more and used for gaming purposes only. Cash will not be issued for the wire transfer. To send a wire transfer to the Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino, please use the following wire transfer instructions:

Account Name: Rio Properties, LLC dba The Rio

Wells Fargo
Corporate Office
420 Montgomery Street
San Francisco, CA 94104

ABA/Routing# 121000248
Account number: 4317100766
Swift: WFBIUS6S

Special Instructions/Payment Details:
Customer Name and Caesars Reward Number

If you have any questions about wire information, please email
LVRIOCasinoCage@Caesars.com or contact our staff directly at 702-777-2305.




Thank you for choosing the Rio!

Have an amazing day!

Erin
Total Service Central Team
Caesars Entertainment
877-716-4500
Is there a WSOP contact number or e-mail? Their website is balls and I can't find anything. I know Kevmath is very trusted and reputable, but I've heard enough horror stories with wire transfers that I'd like more verification that the info is correct.
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09-27-2021 , 01:55 PM
Thanks for the info. I have nothing to add to it, though I agree their website is not great.
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09-27-2021 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tomshooter
Sounds good to me. Maybe they don't want my business. I just provided information; like Covid feel free to ignore it.
I had rooms booked at Rio for $74/night. Just saw today (same computer, same web browser, no cookies or cache cleared) rates offered at $63/night. Instead of canceling and rebooking online, I called. The person on the phone pulled up my existing reservation and gave me an even lower rate than the one on the website (by a few bucks).

So at least in the case of the Rio, your concerns about IP tracking and "price sticking" (for lack of a better term) seem to be unwarranted.
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09-27-2021 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DMoogle
Also, I reached out to the Rio to verify the wire information. They responded with the below. Note that the account numbers and such are different from that PDF. I'm not sure if there are multiple, or if the WSOP handles things differently/separately from the Rio:



Is there a WSOP contact number or e-mail? Their website is balls and I can't find anything. I know Kevmath is very trusted and reputable, but I've heard enough horror stories with wire transfers that I'd like more verification that the info is correct.
The WSOP cage and the Rio cage are 2 separate things. The information in that email reply is for the Rio cage (note they don't ask you to include what event # in special instructions notes). If you send money there, you'll be expected to gamble it away in the Rio casino.

To wire to the WSOP cage, follow the instructions in the .pdf.

The WSOP is an event that is held at the Rio. But it is not the Rio that is putting on (managing) the event. It's an important distinction. The fact that both are run by Caesars just muddies the waters, but they are separate entities. Everything WSOP is handled in the conference center.
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09-27-2021 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DMoogle
Also, I reached out to the Rio to verify the wire information. They responded with the below. Note that the account numbers and such are different from that PDF. I'm not sure if there are multiple, or if the WSOP handles things differently/separately from the Rio:



Is there a WSOP contact number or e-mail? Their website is balls and I can't find anything. I know Kevmath is very trusted and reputable, but I've heard enough horror stories with wire transfers that I'd like more verification that the info is correct.
I wired money to the RIO for use at the WSOP per their instructions 6 days ago. Since then, I have spoken to 3 different people at the cage and 2 WSOP supervisors trying to get confirmation that the wire was received and properly posted to my player account. They not only could not confirmed whether or not the money is there, but have never even responded to me after promising that they would look into it. While I'm sure they money is somewhere at the RIO and will turn up eventually, their internal banking operation is a joke and the people working there have no interest in customer service when there are problems. I would strongly suggest against ever wiring them money. Just bring cash.
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09-27-2021 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 2RedCards
The WSOP cage and the Rio cage are 2 separate things. The information in that email reply is for the Rio cage (note they don't ask you to include what event # in special instructions notes). If you send money there, you'll be expected to gamble it away in the Rio casino.

To wire to the WSOP cage, follow the instructions in the .pdf.

The WSOP is an event that is held at the Rio. But it is not the Rio that is putting on (managing) the event. It's an important distinction. The fact that both are run by Caesars just muddies the waters, but they are separate entities. Everything WSOP is handled in the conference center.
Yeah I thought that was likely the case. Unfortunately, the Rio rep didn't quite seem to understand that nuance.
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Originally Posted by IhateJJ
I wired money to the RIO for use at the WSOP per their instructions 6 days ago. Since then, I have spoken to 3 different people at the cage and 2 WSOP supervisors trying to get confirmation that the wire was received and properly posted to my player account. They not only could not confirmed whether or not the money is there, but have never even responded to me after promising that they would look into it. While I'm sure they money is somewhere at the RIO and will turn up eventually, their internal banking operation is a joke and the people working there have no interest in customer service when there are problems. I would strongly suggest against ever wiring them money. Just bring cash.
Yeah I mean what you described is basically my worst nightmare. I don't have a "tournament account" set up already, just a player's account, so it feels like I'm sending money blind. I'd like ~$30k to play with (events + cash games), and I've brought that much cash before, but it's really not comfortable.

I tried pre-registering for an event through Bravo, and FWIW it looks like the info there is the exact same as what's in the PDF:
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Wire Information:



ABA/ROUTING NUMBER: 026009593

SWIFT: BOFAUS3N

BANK NAME: BANK OF AMERICA

BANK ADDRESS: 300 SOUTH 4TH STREET

LAS VEGAS, NEVADA 89101

BENEFICIARY: RIO PROPERTIES, LLC.

ACCOUNT NUMBER: 501012632101

SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS:

Ref 1: <my name>

Ref 2: <my player number> & <event number> or ""To WSOP Cage""

Payment Amount : In US Dollars= $xxxx.xx


Please note: The ""Special Instructions"" area is standard to any bank, both domestic and international. The customer can request the bank to be more specific when sending this wire transfer. This is very limited space; it will only accommodate 25 to 35 characters (alpha or number) on each line but it is important you provide this information.



Third-Party payments will only be accepted if approved by Corporate Sponsorship and Licensing. Unless approved, Player Name must match remitter name.



Domestic Wires: Please be aware that all transaction fees are the responsibility of the sender. This includes all fees charged by the sender's bank and any intermediate banks involved in the transaction. Wires received with fees deducted from the buy-in amount will require an additional deposit to complete registration. We will make one attempt to contact the remitter via email to notify of payment shortage. Online-Registration payments that are short will not be confirmed until complete payment has been received. In the event that the wire exceeds the necessary amount, any remaining balance will be returned participant.



You must complete registration at The Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, NV for the events as set forth in the rules available at http://www.wsop.com If you have any questions about the WSOP Online-Registration, please go to http://www.wsop.com for general information or contact our staff directly at 702-777-6777
Looks like there's a phone number as well, finally. I'll try giving them a call and seeing what they say.
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09-27-2021 , 05:16 PM
Nobody answers that main wsop number. I tried calling the rio cage and they said the wsop cage doesn’t open until 9/30.
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09-27-2021 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DMoogle
Yeah I thought that was likely the case. Unfortunately, the Rio rep didn't quite seem to understand that nuance.

Yeah I mean what you described is basically my worst nightmare. I don't have a "tournament account" set up already, just a player's account, so it feels like I'm sending money blind. I'd like ~$30k to play with (events + cash games), and I've brought that much cash before, but it's really not comfortable.

I tried pre-registering for an event through Bravo, and FWIW it looks like the info there is the exact same as what's in the PDF:

Looks like there's a phone number as well, finally. I'll try giving them a call and seeing what they say.
I would not recommend including cash game money in your wire transfer. That's just asking for something to go wrong. Trying to do multiple events in 1 wire transfer, while it probably has been and can be done, is also potentially asking for issues.

The intention of the wire option is to register for a single tournament event. That's why they want the event # in the special instructions. They don't want to be your 'safety deposit box', holding your cash for you and dispensing it when you need/want it.

If it turns out you need to send separate wires for each event, look into the credit card option through Bravo and it may save you on total fees. If wiring, make sure to also account for WSOP fees in the amount you send.

And, as noted above, I would wait until Friday or next week to try contacting WSOP.
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09-27-2021 , 06:02 PM
They don't want you to wire $ you need for cash games/other, just fly with heaps of cash and be at risk of civil forfeiture instead, lmao
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09-27-2021 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
They don't want you to wire $ you need for cash games/other, just fly with heaps of cash and be at risk of civil forfeiture instead, lmao
Annoying that Rio doesn’t have a robust procedure, Americans can also just use a local bank branch if applicable…then open a players bank with Rio/ a local casino…
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