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Are there any Live Poker Pros That Don't Regret Their Decision to Play Professionally? Are there any Live Poker Pros That Don't Regret Their Decision to Play Professionally?

08-08-2013 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipRick
this thread is like a support group for sh*tty poker players...thanks for sharing :P
While I'm assuming this is in jest, there seems to be a partial truth to it.

I'm at a loss to respond to guys who criticize a 9-5 workstyle and working for "the man" and then talk about how great it is to earn $30-40K a year in poker. Sure, you make your own hours, but you have no 401K, no heatlh insurance, no social security, and really no room for growth unless you drastically improve your stakes or your time playing. I also wonder how many people grinding at 1/2 or 2/5 have families.

Maybe the prospects of playing poker for some are weighed with the prospects of having to work lower-paying jobs, but I play beside some really intelligent guys with excellent math and deductive skills that work in insurance and financial sectors. Poker can't be anything more than a hobby for most of us who want to live the lifestyle our jobs (slaving for the man) have provided for us and will hopefully continue to provide for us.

This is why I said earlier in the thread that we really shouldn't put down either group's choice. It is often one that is made with a variety of factors at play, is one made where age and stage of lifestyle is factored in, and it is one that is personal for each and every person. Turning pro or not isn't a blanket decision that can be judged the same for everyone, yet I see that trying to happen on a lot of threads like these.
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08-08-2013 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
I could PM you a pic along with one sentence that would make you understand immediately why it wasn't stressful.
Sure thanks
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08-08-2013 , 11:39 AM
I agree with z4reio about the stress levels of playing for a living....the guys who've been around a while and make a solid living know their niche and there's not much stress involved more repetition.....think the major stress comes from people who are marginal winners or guys who move up stakes and are now dealing with lower winrates/bigger swings.....
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08-08-2013 , 01:17 PM
****, the house I live in was ~50k and we have drug dealers, theifs, pit bulls roaming the neighborhood killing peoples cats, a crazy cat lady who walks around literally 24/7 with a red plastic cup full of cat food feeding stray cats, and a handful of other problems. Show me a house for 25k lacking in any of these, and I'll show you a lucky home owner. One of my friends got jumped by like 5 dudes right outside my house one night, they dragged him back to the ally and beat the **** outta him. For 25k I'd be living out of a car in the walmart parking lot lol.
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08-08-2013 , 01:37 PM
I like how since there are no 25k houses in the area someone lives in there are no 25k houses. Fun stuff.
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08-08-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I like how since there are no 25k houses in the area someone lives in there are no 25k houses. Fun stuff.
There are quite of few $25K places to live in my area. They are called trailers. Some are even double-wide!
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08-08-2013 , 01:47 PM
Well they got some houses where i live for that. And quite a few house for a little more. Been looking.

And i pretty sure a trailer is a house.
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08-08-2013 , 02:40 PM
it's a mobile house.
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08-08-2013 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
I'm sure that you're right, but I can't understand it.

I've had all kind of jobs. I worked in factory offices, and ran machines on a factory floor. I worked with addicts in a homeless shelter. I've worked in accounting, purchasing, and production control, and at a hotel front desk. I was a temp for Labor Ready. I spent 23 years in the National Guard, where I enlisted into the infantry but retired from an army band.

I've had too many jobs to count, but of all of them, I only liked one better than poker. I like being in control of my life and my hours. If I want to work a ton of hours, no one has to approve my overtime. I love the intellectual combat of the game. I enjoy all the characters I meet when I play live.

I'm very happy with my job, and I have no plans to stop playing when I'm "old enough" to retire. Why should I? Mike Sexton is still final-tabling WPT tournaments in his 60s (as a part-time player!), and Doyle Brunson won a WSOP bracelet at 73.

I'm only 57. I still have a lot to learn about poker, and a lot of time to learn it. It would be fun to make it on TV sometime so that my grandchildren could watch, even it's if only the Heartland Poker Tour.
Infantry leads the way you mother****ers
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08-08-2013 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I like how since there are no 25k houses in the area someone lives in there are no 25k houses. Fun stuff.
No one actually said this. People such as myself who reside in an insanely high cost of living area simply find it difficult to imagine.
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08-08-2013 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I like how since there are no 25k houses in the area someone lives in there are no 25k houses. Fun stuff.
No one said that. People are saying anywhere there's a 25K house in America, it's an area you don't want to live in.
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08-08-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
Most people don't do it right. That's why I'm going on year 12. I certainly didn't like my 5 month long break-even/downswing, it was a major mind****, but I wasn't stressed about it.
If you have a 5 month break even/downswing your not doing it right
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08-08-2013 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Sure thanks
Done.


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Originally Posted by JerseyPoker869
If you have a 5 month break even/downswing your not doing it right
Touché.
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08-08-2013 , 07:09 PM
I can see nothing really has changed since I commented that if playing poker for a living isn't working out for someone it means they are doing the poker part or the living part wrong.
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08-08-2013 , 07:22 PM
lol 25k house - must be beautiful inside
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08-08-2013 , 08:23 PM
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WHERE THE HELL CAN I FIND A 25K HOUSE? DOUBT IT'S REAL, LET'S ARGUE AND DISCUSS!



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08-08-2013 , 09:13 PM
Coldwellbanker.com

Search: Milwaukee

Price: 25k

Done. Back to the thread.
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08-08-2013 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
No one said that. People are saying anywhere there's a 25K house in America, it's an area you don't want to live in.
Yeah thats wrong too. At least if you are referring to crime and stuff like that.
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08-09-2013 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
Dude. No offense, but you've said before that your wife is paying all the bills until you build a roll suitable for grinding livable wages. That's great and everything, but you can't really compare yourself to someone with no outs except for his poker winrate.
I see your point, but I don't look at it that way. Poker is my job because I love it, but also because my other outs have been counterfeited.

I had to retire from the National Guard at age 51. I had planned to stay until mandatory retirement at ago 60, and get one more promotion, which would have increased my retirement pay. Also, I was trying to finish a degree, and the Guard was providing my college money.

I never finished that degree.

The last five places that I worked closed.

In one three-month stretch:

1. I was arrested for driving without a license. My license had been suspended one month earlier (which I did not know) because of a ticket I forgot to pay nine years earlier.

2. I got my license back, three days later my breaks failed, and I was T-boned (driver's side) by a driver going 60 miles an hour.

3. When I could use crutches and get on a bus, I went back to work for one day and they found me something to do. The business closed two days later.

I could go on, but you get the idea. I didn't have a lot of outs.

I had already been playing poker part-time, taking out $50 or $100 from time to time and giving most of it to my wife, not worrying about growing a bankroll, just having fun with it.

Still banged up and with no job, I spent a lot of time in front of the computer. I knew that I was going to need a fresh start, and that poker was going to be my best shot. Failure was not an option.

I'm fine now physically (good orthopedic surgeon), and hoping to run my second marathon in a couple years. As for poker, my bankroll is close to where I wanted it to be before I started taking any money out, and I hope to be submitting my documentation to ACR in a month or so.

For all those hoping to make poker a career, I need to make something clear. It takes work. Being good at almost anything is a lot of work. I don't just play. A few hours ago I was studying graphs of equilibrium raising and calling strategies with 20BB effective stacks.

I know next to nothing about correct equilibrium strategies. That's why I was studying the graphs. As I move up, I'll be playing against people that know those things, and I better understand it as well as they do.

People make money because they take a risk and start their own business. Or they spend six years in college. Or they run 10 miles a day and get into that college on an athletic scholarship. Or they play poker 30 hours a week--along with 15 hours of study.

Yo-Yo Ma has a glamorous career as a famous touring musician--when he's not sitting in a hotel room practicing scales for six straight hours.

Very few people make a career out of natural talent and good looks.* Even Mozart had a music teacher.

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*I know that someone will think about models having looks but no talent. Modeling is a very competitive business, and like professional athletes, a career might be only a few years long. Heather Locklear was rejected by four different modeling agencies. She was told that no agency wanted a girl who was only 5 foot 2.

She had the determination and the work ethic to keep going, she analyzed the situation and revised her plan, and became the first person to star in two television series at the same time.

Last edited by Poker Clif; 08-09-2013 at 11:57 PM. Reason: Sentence clarity. No significant content change.
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08-10-2013 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Yeah thats wrong too. At least if you are referring to crime and stuff like that.
Yeah, there's a small % of areas that have houses for 25K that are so isolated from the population that you don't need to worry about crime.
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08-10-2013 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Sure thanks
Did the PM clear the stress level part up?
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08-10-2013 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Yeah thats wrong too. At least if you are referring to crime and stuff like that.
It might not be strictly true 100% of the time but it's true when we start talking about Muskegon Heights.
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08-10-2013 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
If this is true for you, then you're doing it wrong.
How exactly do you do it right then? When you're starting out in 2012, or 13 or 14 do you snap your fingers? Viola 50k falls into your lap like fairy dust out of the blue and all woes are forgotten. How does that work?

I haven't had anything that even remotely compares to a 5 month downswing. In fact I'm not sure I've ever had much more than a losing week after rakeback. Yet I have found playing poker for a living to be immensely stressful, almost all of that due to inability to build a roll fast enough to keep up with expenses but certainly also the unavoidable process of learning the math and making costly errors along the way.

Yeah I can see where after 3 or 4 years, when you know every spot, every line and the math behind it and you have a solid roll backing you up playing would become a lot smoother, a lot more routine, like a normal job. Until then it is a very stressful undertaking and I think that aspect of learning the game is completely unavoidable unless you are somehow well capitalized from the start.
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08-10-2013 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
Yeah, there's a small % of areas that have houses for 25K that are so isolated from the population that you don't need to worry about crime.
Whats percentage got to do with anything?

I mean including small citys and towns and sticks. Your small percentage is probably bigger then you think. But yeah im not arguing any percentages. I could get a house for 25k and low crime (its in a small city with low crime).

You said.

"No one said that. People are saying anywhere there's a 25K house in America, it's an area you don't want to live in."

This is wrong.


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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
It might not be strictly true 100% of the time but it's true when we start talking about Muskegon Heights.
Cool.

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08-10-2013 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
How exactly do you do it right then? When you're starting out in 2012, or 13 or 14 do you snap your fingers? Viola 50k falls into your lap like fairy dust out of the blue and all woes are forgotten. How does that work?
No, you keep a job until your poker hourly income crushes your job income. You don't spend any of it and just keep moving up.

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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
I haven't had anything that even remotely compares to a 5 month downswing. In fact I'm not sure I've ever had much more than a losing week after rakeback.
Right. And I had around 4 million hands in before that and never experienced anything worse than around 105K hand break-even stretch, with most sick runs being in the 60K-70K range (and not too many). This is limit holdem, though, so the winrates are even tighter than in NL. Also, this was against some of the top online limit players on Stars, so there's not a lot of slack there.

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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
Yet I have found playing poker for a living to be immensely stressful, almost all of that due to inability to build a roll fast enough to keep up with expenses but certainly also the unavoidable process of learning the math and making costly errors along the way.
In my opinion, you made the move too soon. You may find yourself getting blinded out by your living expenses when a sick, sick run occurs. I never saw mine coming, and I didn't tilt through any of it; I'd just take the day off. You need to have that luxury if you expect longevity in this "career".



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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
Yeah I can see where after 3 or 4 years, when you know every spot, every line and the math behind it and you have a solid roll backing you up playing would become a lot smoother, a lot more routine, like a normal job. Until then it is a very stressful undertaking and I think that aspect of learning the game is completely unavoidable unless you are somehow well capitalized from the start.
This is just premature. I couldn't ditch a well-paying corporate position with a family to take a shot; I had to have the roll and the playing experience (10 years playing experience before switching to full-time) in order to make it a career change and not rolling the dice and hoping for the best.
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