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05-31-2014 , 08:18 AM
Guys, casino's are broke, understaffed and one of the first things to go is security. I remember the Taj in AC started going downhill in the 2005/2006 timeframe and chips were just getting stolen on drive by grabbings with no one doing anything about it. Staff there told me half the cameras aren't even recording as they are "required to" and that no one is watching anyway. a few years later, car jackings/murder etc.

Lol at all these crazy "inside job" theories etc. Housekeeping all have master keys. It is the easiest thing in the world for them or any partner in crime to just go into anyone's room and take stuff. Anyone can do it with ease and the odds of these hotels having the manpower or the care to actually follow up on your claim, and try to investigate are pretty much zero.

The RIO is a complete ****hole and no one should be staying there ever. If you have the roll to play this series you should be at one of the strip hotels and really one that is still a reasonable operation. Maybe rent a house?

No one cares about your belongings and safety, or their "reputation" as a business. No one is spending enough money in LV anymore for it to matter. Especially outside of the Wynn/Encore, Bellagio, Venetian, Mandarin, or Aria/Cosmo. If you aren't staying at one of the newer luxury hotels, don't expect anything and don't be surprised about this type of stuff at all. Sad to say but it's true.

I can see the venue of the series changing in the future out of LV completely. LV needs to wake up and change the way the think about business, tourism and how to reclaim a spot as a premier gaming and vacation destination. If they loose the series, that is a LOT of lost revenue for the town as a whole.
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05-31-2014 , 10:49 AM
To those saying the safe has an override code. The only time I forgot my safe code was in a hotel in Frankfurt Germany. The hotel manager had to bring a largish cumbersome looking device which she had to plug into the safe to reset the code. She only did this after checking my room key and passport against the hotel register. I can't say that all hotel safes work like this, but it makes way more sense than having a catch all override code. This was a standard 3 star chain hotel.
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05-31-2014 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sponger
Between $1-$100 theft, small jail time and a fine.

Between $101-$1000, chop off a finger.

$1000 and up, take off the hand. Works in places where it is applied. I have zero tolerance for thieves and scumbags. *** em all.
They also kill women for having premarital sex and the teen pregnancy rate is much lower.
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05-31-2014 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Andyfothershops
To those saying the safe has an override code. The only time I forgot my safe code was in a hotel in Frankfurt Germany. The hotel manager had to bring a largish cumbersome looking device which she had to plug into the safe to reset the code. She only did this after checking my room key and passport against the hotel register. I can't say that all hotel safes work like this, but it makes way more sense than having a catch all override code. This was a standard 3 star chain hotel.
A few month ago I was staying at Borgata, one of the largest (and on ther nicer end) East Coast casino resorts. I could not open the in room safe as my roommate had changed the code and forgot to tell me. A maintenance guy came up and just opened it by entering a reset code. No device. No confirmation that I was a registered guest in that room. Nothing. Guess it varies from hotel to hotel.

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05-31-2014 , 11:48 AM
Wow that's horrible. I bet everyone who works at the hotel knows the reset codes.
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05-31-2014 , 01:22 PM
It would be possible for your roommate to slip his key to an accomplice of his, who goes into your room while you both are out to dinner and takes the money. Not saying this happened in this case, but might be something to be aware of if you are staying with a 'friend' that you don't really know that well.

of course, the hotel should be able to tell you what key was used to enter and at what time though.
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05-31-2014 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dietDrThunder
I was playing a sesh at Harrah's during the circuit event this past Feb and 4 or 5 trucks were stolen out of the parking lot that day. I left there and went to the Horseshoe and the parking garage was closed off by cops because a couple of cars had been broken into.

Gogo Tunica security.
The perps are not totally stupid they wait until after security checks the area they are in then they hit it while security is in another area. Only takes a minute or less per car.
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05-31-2014 , 07:19 PM
+1 to those saying the RIO is a complete dump. You're safer staying at the Palms next to it (just take a taxi back when you have a lot of $ on you). Also, leaving 35k in your bags is kind of silly. Just put it all in the locked safe.
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05-31-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by eobmtns
The slot ticket trick looks interesting -- you would have to give them some minimal amount of slot or VP play in order to not be accused of money laundering when you try to cash out. Take a Sharpie and mess up the bar code a little so the voucher can't be used in an automated machine. Presto! The ticket is now only cashable at the cage (the cashier will have to key in the ticket's serial number).

In your room, have a Mr. Beams battery powered motion-sensor light pointed at the door:

This will of course do nothing to actually detect a theft nor to apprehend a thief, but the stranger who encounters a sudden bright light upon entering your room will likely fear that there is also a camera or silent alarm.
I'm sure the housekeeper will get a kick out of that.
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05-31-2014 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kerr
Be good if we could get a text and/or email every time our door was opened. One way or another we should be able to verify if someone is in the room, be it ourselves, cleaning, or someone who doesn't belong.
It is possible to "interrogate" a room lock after the fact and see what type of key was used and when, but a vast majority of hotels do not have the technology to be able to set up this seemingly very simple (and fantastic) idea. Hotel room key technology, for the most part, has remained static since the implementation of the swipe keys we are all familiar with. Only very rarely in smaller high end properties will you find a smartphone enabled system like you have suggested.
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05-31-2014 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Majik1973
My drug dealer comment was for lolz.

Just more or less saying bad idea and nothing else is worse.

Why does the idea suck?

Opening a second account and depositing enough for your buyins is simple, takes 20 minutes at the worst, and if someone does get into your room (staff or not) looking to rob you blind, they get squat.

The reported thefts so far have been small in number. But until venues are willing to beef up their security, these incidents will continue to occur which leaves it up to the players to protect themselves.

So how is the idea not fool proof?

I have read ITT that you can wire directly to the cash cage. At least that's something.
A bank is not going to let you do a $10,000 ATM transaction. The simple reason is that individuals are protected from fraudulent charges to debit cards. (Fair Credit Billing Act and Electronic Funds Transfer Act.) Basically you as the card holder are only on the hook for usually $50, and the bank is liable for the rest should a transaction be fraudulent. This is why most banks limit your daily ATM withdrawals to $500-$1,000. A debit card transaction is basically a cash transfer, and too risky to the bank to allow high limits, or multiple smaller transactions. This is the case regardless of your account balance.

The debit cards with visa/MasterCard features do allow for higher transactions. The catch here is they charge a fee to the merchant to process this. This fee varies based on volume of transactions by merchant, but is typically 2-3%. (Example Walmart gets charged less than 1%, but your local pizza joint would pay 3%. ) Most casinos let you do this transaction, but charge you the 3%. Even with this feature most cards have a daily limit of about $5,000, but you could get this increased since the bank's liability is mitigated by their transaction fees. In cases of cash advances they are further protected by photo ID, and signatures.

So basically large cash debit card transactions are not a profitable business for banks, and they have zero reason to allow large daily limits. It has nothing to do with technology that exists, it has everything to do with profit, security and liability.
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05-31-2014 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 12bigworm81
It has nothing to do with technology that exists, it has everything to do with profit, security and liability.
Bitcoin!

It's not going to protect laptops afaik.
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06-01-2014 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Wasn't there a thread last year by a cop from CA who got his laptop and a few thousand dollars stolen at the RIO, and then the RIO recovered the computer and some of the money and wouldn't even tell him who they got it from? As I recall, they wouldn't do **** for him and tried at every step of the process to stall the investigation and wouldn't reimburse him until he ended up taking it to corporate or something.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...-27-a-1347483/
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06-01-2014 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 12bigworm81
It has nothing to do with technology that exists, it has everything to do with profit, security and liability.
True, I mean whats stopping organizers to open a 'neteller like' account for players to deposit into + direct buy in to events.
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06-01-2014 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by urhappy
True, I mean whats stopping organizers to open a 'neteller like' account for players to deposit into + direct buy in to events.
AFAIK, Netteller is like writing a check, and has daily limits.
They currently allow you to wire money to buy into events.

You could also register for events as soon as you arrive. You can also get a cash box as soon as you arrive.

The few stories of theft s*ck, but it doesn't seem so wide spread that additional methods of registering are warranted to create additional options. Also, if you think about it, asking any casino to come up with multiple ways for you to avoid carrying cash into their casino isn't a realistic expectation.
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06-01-2014 , 02:23 PM
I walked out of the rio late yesterday to someone walking around my car trying all my doors and looking inside thru the windows.

Needless to say I called himout as I got close enough (20-30 yards)... he acted all flustered and drunk so I squared up on his ragedy arse and tried to engage him, but he was literally to stupid to talk to so I walked over to my drivers side, got in and drove away.

I THINK the local idiots know the wsop is in town and that there might be easy pickings.
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06-01-2014 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
I walked out of the rio late yesterday to someone walking around my car trying all my doors and looking inside thru the windows.

Needless to say I called himout as I got close enough (20-30 yards)... he acted all flustered and drunk so I squared up on his ragedy arse and tried to engage him, but he was literally to stupid to talk to so I walked over to my drivers side, got in and drove away.

I THINK the local idiots know the wsop is in town and that there might be easy pickings.
What exact location?
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06-01-2014 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
What exact location?
Parking spot 57. South lot.
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06-01-2014 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Parking spot 57. South lot.
Is that the huge lot by the tournament area?
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06-01-2014 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
I walked out of the rio late yesterday to someone walking around my car trying all my doors and looking inside thru the windows.

Needless to say I called himout as I got close enough (20-30 yards)... he acted all flustered and drunk so I squared up on his ragedy arse and tried to engage him, but he was literally to stupid to talk to so I walked over to my drivers side, got in and drove away.

I THINK the local idiots know the wsop is in town and that there might be easy pickings.
What did he look like? Young/old/white/black? By "too stupid to talk" do you mean he was drunk/high...mentally a little bit off, or what?
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06-01-2014 , 04:53 PM
He could have actually been lost and drunk. It's been known to happen...
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06-01-2014 , 04:58 PM
Best wishes to the victims, hope someone is caught.
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06-01-2014 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
Most machines stop at 3000? Come on Allen. If someone steals your 9000 dollar ticket he won't take it to nickel slots to play wheel of fortune. The medium to high stakes machines take far higher then 3000 dollar vouchers. Also If the thief does what you suggest to cash and not play the voucher and is walking around the casino sticking your voucher in half the dispensers in the casino you very possibly have a way to identify him. Any way the thief utilizes the vouchers, play or cash, you have recourse to identify him . Also you keep the vouchers in the 5000 and up range because Many of the Dispensers in the casino to cash out do stop at 3000. So keeping vouchers at 5000 and over forces a visit to a cage. However the actually vouchers can go to over 50k at most major properties. You can just cash them at the cage and a random with no history absolutely can not.

Thakid asked why not just front money and that's a great idea if the player doesn't fear IRS implicationsThakid is right front money has many benefits. The most important front money benefit if you use front money is you are now considered a credit acct so people can't just change your personal info on your account at the casino club card desk. You have to go to cage, it adds an extra layer of protection to your players acct. however one negative to front money. Is let's be candid, many guys want to avoid going over 10k in cash too often for IRS issues That is one reason I assume many cash players avoid front money. If I had 30k and wanted to avoid front money I would simply do something like

8500 x 3 vouchers
2250 x 2 vouchers

So I have 4500 available in wallet that I can quickly pull out of a machine without dealing with cage. Also have 25k, in wallet on three little vouchers if not staying at rio, or in my room safe.
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
This is so clueless its laughable. A $2250 ticket can be placed in a machine for a new ticket and then cashed out at any automated ticket machine.
Alan the only clueless and laughable part of our interaction is your reading comprehension. The last two lines of my post I say clearly I keep the two 2250 vouchers in my wallet for easy access to funds. If my wallet gets lost/stolen with 4500 cash or two 2250 dollar vouchers in which scenario do I have a better chance of catching the thief and recovering my funds?

Keeping 2500 on three or four vouchers is an easy way to keep significant cash and not have bulging pockets. Each vouchers fits just like a dollar bill in your wallet.
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06-01-2014 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
Most machines stop at 3000? Come on Allen. If someone steals your 9000 dollar ticket he won't take it to nickel slots to play wheel of fortune. The medium to high stakes machines take far higher then 3000 dollar vouchers. Also If the thief does what you suggest to cash and not play the voucher and is walking around the casino sticking your voucher in half the dispensers in the casino you very possibly have a way to identify him. Any way the thief utilizes the vouchers, play or cash, you have recourse to identify him . Also you keep the vouchers in the 5000 and up range because Many of the Dispensers in the casino to cash out do stop at 3000. So keeping vouchers at 5000 and over forces a visit to a cage. However the actually vouchers can go to over 50k at most major properties. You can just cash them at the cage and a random with no history absolutely can not.

Thakid asked why not just front money and that's a great idea if the player doesn't fear IRS implicationsThakid is right front money has many benefits. The most important front money benefit if you use front money is you are now considered a credit acct so people can't just change your personal info on your account at the casino club card desk. You have to go to cage, it adds an extra layer of protection to your players acct. however one negative to front money. Is let's be candid, many guys want to avoid going over 10k in cash too often for IRS issues That is one reason I assume many cash players avoid front money. If I had 30k and wanted to avoid front money I would simply do something like

8500 x 3 vouchers
2250 x 2 vouchers

So I have 4500 available in wallet that I can quickly pull out of a machine without dealing with cage. Also have 25k, in wallet on three little vouchers if not staying at rio, or in my room safe.
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
This is so clueless its laughable. A $2250 ticket can be placed in a machine for a new ticket and then cashed out at any automated ticket machine.
Alan the only clueless and laughable part of our interaction is your reading comprehension. The last two lines of my post I say clearly I keep the two 2250 vouchers in my wallet for easy access to funds. If my wallet gets lost/stolen with 4500 cash or two 2250 dollar vouchers in which scenario do I have a better chance of catching the thief and recovering my funds?

Keeping 2500 on three or four vouchers is an easy way to keep significant cash and not have bulging pockets. Each voucher fits just like a dollar bill in your wallet.
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06-01-2014 , 11:05 PM
What about the other 25k I vouchers in your safe? Lolololol
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