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05-30-2014 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesD816
Most machines stop at 3000? Come on Allen. If someone steals your 9000 dollar ticket he won't take it to nickel slots to play wheel of fortune. The medium to high stakes machines take far higher then 3000 dollar vouchers. Also If the thief does what you suggest to cash and not play the voucher and is walking around the casino sticking your voucher in half the dispensers in the casino you very possibly have a way to identify him. Any way the thief utilizes the vouchers, play or cash, you have recourse to identify him . Also you keep the vouchers in the 5000 and up range because Many of the Dispensers in the casino to cash out do stop at 3000. So keeping vouchers at 5000 and over forces a visit to a cage. However the actually vouchers can go to over 50k at most major properties. You can just cash them at the cage and a random with no history absolutely can not.

Thakid asked why not just front money and that's a great idea if the player doesn't fear IRS implicationsThakid is right front money has many benefits. The most important front money benefit if you use front money is you are now considered a credit acct so people can't just change your personal info on your account at the casino club card desk. You have to go to cage, it adds an extra layer of protection to your players acct. however one negative to front money. Is let's be candid, many guys want to avoid going over 10k in cash too often for IRS issues That is one reason I assume many cash players avoid front money. If I had 30k and wanted to avoid front money I would simply do something like

8500 x 3 vouchers
2250 x 2 vouchers

So I have 4500 available in wallet that I can quickly pull out of a machine without dealing with cage. Also have 25k, in wallet on three little vouchers if not staying at rio, or in my room safe.
This is so clueless its laughable. A $2250 ticket can be placed in a machine for a new ticket and then cashed out at any automated ticket machine.
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05-30-2014 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
This is so clueless its laughable. A $2250 ticket can be placed in a machine for a new ticket and then cashed out at any automated ticket machine.
i don't even need to know anything about slots to know that allen is right and the other guy is wrong.
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05-30-2014 , 02:51 PM
The Rio should issue the following statement: Hey dumbasses, why are you leaving $35k in your hotel room unattended? You must have fallen out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.
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05-30-2014 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
The Rio should issue the following statement: Hey dumbasses, why are you leaving $35k in your hotel room unattended? You must have fallen out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.
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I wonder, are all of your other posts this idiotic?
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05-30-2014 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by electrickshiite~
I wonder, are all of your other posts this idiotic?
Yes they are but none of them are idiotic enough to leave $35k unattended in a Vegas hotel room.
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05-30-2014 , 04:31 PM
Scenario "a": a poker player legitimately gets his gangster roll swiped out of his suite at the Rio.

Scenario "b": a poker players loses his wad gambling and makes up a story about his room getting jacked.

I guess the bottom line is the resorts owe it to their guests to provide video surveillance ... It's now incredibly accurate and relatively inexpensive.
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05-30-2014 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
Yes they are but none of them are idiotic enough to leave $35k unattended in a Vegas hotel room.
thanks, get in line, you were the 30th ****ing idiot to make the same joke. what good does it to do come in here, make a ******ed post that adds nothing to the conversation, then act like you're really really smart because this didn't happen to you?
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05-30-2014 , 06:57 PM
Money belt.
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05-30-2014 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
thanks, get in line, you were the 30th ****ing idiot to make the same joke. what good does it to do come in here, make a ******ed post that adds nothing to the conversation,
The point that flew right over your head is that the Rio shouldn't have to make any statement because they are not at fault or liable for the losses incurred. If anything, I'd love to hear the rationalization for leaving $35k in a Vegas hotel room.

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Originally Posted by sketchy1
then act like you're really really smart because this didn't happen to you?
Not at all. Quite the contrary actually. Common sense would have prevented these incidents. One would have to be incredibly naive to leave this much cash in a hotel room, especially considering how many times this has happened in the past.
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05-30-2014 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
The point that flew right over your head is that the Rio shouldn't have to make any statement because they are not at fault or liable for the losses incurred. If anything, I'd love to hear the rationalization for leaving $35k in a Vegas hotel room.
regardless if they are liable, which they clearly aren't and i don't think anyone implied they are, no one ****ing cares that you think it's stupid they left 35k in the room unattended. it's not supposed to get stolen in the first place.

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Not at all. Quite the contrary actually. Common sense would have prevented these incidents.
THANKS CAPTAIN HINDSIGHT!!!! did common sense prevent you from realizing that the same joke had been made 30 times prior, thus FORCING you to make such an amazing zinger?!
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05-30-2014 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sketchy1
it's not supposed to get stolen in the first place.
It's not? What do you expect to happen to it? Really?


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Originally Posted by sketchy1
THANKS CAPTAIN HINDSIGHT!!!! did common sense prevent you from realizing that the same joke had been made 30 times prior, thus FORCING you to make such an amazing zinger?!
Not sure which joke you are referring to. I was being serious. I do feel it is now my obligation to out you as a troll that is attempting to derail this thread.
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05-30-2014 , 07:13 PM
No update from Jack so far? He said on May 29th they'll report back soon. 2 days later still nothing apparently.
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05-30-2014 , 07:45 PM
if you use the safe provided by the hotel they have civil liability, if you don't you're SOA:

NRS 651.010  Civil liability of innkeepers limited.

1.  An owner or keeper of any hotel, inn, motel, motor court, boardinghouse or lodging house in this State is not civilly liable for the theft, loss, damage or destruction of any property brought by a patron upon the premises or left in a motor vehicle upon the premises because of theft, burglary, fire or otherwise, in the absence of gross neglect by the owner or keeper.

2.  An owner or keeper of any hotel, inn, motel, motor court, boardinghouse or lodging house in this State is not civilly liable for the theft, loss, damage or destruction of any property of a guest left in a guest room if:

(a) The owner or keeper provides a fireproof safe or vault in which guests may deposit property for safekeeping;


(b) Notice of this service is personally given to a guest or posted in the office and the guest’s room; and

(c) The property is not offered for deposit in the safe or vault by a guest,

Ê unless the owner or keeper is grossly negligent.

3.  An owner or keeper is not obligated to receive property to deposit for safekeeping which exceeds $750 in value or is of a size which cannot easily fit within the safe or vault.

4.  The liability of the owner or keeper does not exceed the sum of $750 for any property, including, but not limited to, property which is not deposited in a safe or vault because it cannot easily fit within the safe or vault, of an individual patron or guest, unless the owner or keeper receives the property for deposit for safekeeping and consents to assume a liability greater than $750 for its theft, loss, damage or destruction in a written agreement in which the patron or guest specifies the value of the property.

[1:256:1953]—(NRS A 1979, 1114; 1993, 2258; 1995, 2670)
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05-30-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by poppoppoq
BECAUSE

Wow, what an entertaining video. I'm sure this ditty will help propel the WSOP to a new record attendance once this filters around the internet.

I recall several years ago when I was checking out and leaving the Gold Strike over in Tunica. It was close to dark. I noticed an armed security guard patrolling the parking lot in a light mobile vehicle - similar to the type of vehicle letter carriers drive for the postal service. (The vehicle had a prominent flashing yellow light.) Before I reached my car, I made a point of approaching the gentleman driving the vehicle and personally thanked him for ensuring the safety of our vehicles. He and I talked a bit about precautions MGM takes to ensure the safety of the property and belongings of their guests.

That's the difference between a well run (well managed) operation like MGM and Caesar's Entertainment. When you're $18 to $20 billion in debt - and desperately hoping to get internet poker legalized so you won't have to declare bankruptcy - you resort to "cutting costs" on things like security. That's when you get a video of an enterprising businessman breaking car windows and laughing about it. Very funny ...
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05-30-2014 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan C. Lawhon
Wow, what an entertaining video. I'm sure this ditty will help propel the WSOP to a new record attendance once this filters around the internet.

I recall several years ago when I was checking out and leaving the Gold Strike over in Tunica. It was close to dark. I noticed an armed security guard patrolling the parking lot in a light mobile vehicle - similar to the type of vehicle letter carriers drive for the postal service. (The vehicle had a prominent flashing yellow light.) Before I reached my car, I made a point of approaching the gentleman driving the vehicle and personally thanked him for ensuring the safety of our vehicles. He and I talked a bit about precautions MGM takes to ensure the safety of the property and belongings of their guests.

That's the difference between a well run (well managed) operation like MGM and Caesar's Entertainment. When you're $18 to $20 billion in debt - and desperately hoping to get internet poker legalized so you won't have to declare bankruptcy - you resort to "cutting costs" on things like security. That's when you get a video of an enterprising businessman breaking car windows and laughing about it. Very funny ...
All the casinos in Tunica have parking lot security without it the number of cars getting broke into would be huge.
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05-30-2014 , 09:19 PM
A hotel almost certain IS liability for thefts committed by their employees, which is often the case in these situations where employees are the ones with the easiest access to the rooms.
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05-30-2014 , 10:19 PM
I'm wondering if anyone has tried to make an insurance claim; let an insurance co. or two or three go after the Rio and they'll fix their security problem
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05-30-2014 , 10:23 PM
Doesn't the cage offer deposit boxes? SoCal poker rooms give this to any player that asks.....for free.
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05-30-2014 , 10:38 PM
The cage has safe deposit boxes. Even the area where the WSOP is being held has safe deposit boxes
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05-30-2014 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtex21


All the casinos in Tunica have parking lot security without it the number of cars getting broke into would be huge.
I was playing a sesh at Harrah's during the circuit event this past Feb and 4 or 5 trucks were stolen out of the parking lot that day. I left there and went to the Horseshoe and the parking garage was closed off by cops because a couple of cars had been broken into.

Gogo Tunica security.
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05-30-2014 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbomom
I'm wondering if anyone has tried to make an insurance claim; let an insurance co. or two or three go after the Rio and they'll fix their security problem
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Interesting. I don't know any poker players that carry insurance that covers cash but there would certainly be a market for it. That being said, I'm sure the insurance claim administrator would generally require proof not only that the player had cash but also proof that it was stolen (which is especially important if one "loses" large amounts of cash in a CASINO).
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05-31-2014 , 01:21 AM
Has the WSOP commented on this yet?
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05-31-2014 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 12bigworm81
Lol. The sad part is you are actually serious.
My drug dealer comment was for lolz.

Just more or less saying bad idea and nothing else is worse.

Why does the idea suck?

Opening a second account and depositing enough for your buyins is simple, takes 20 minutes at the worst, and if someone does get into your room (staff or not) looking to rob you blind, they get squat.

The reported thefts so far have been small in number. But until venues are willing to beef up their security, these incidents will continue to occur which leaves it up to the players to protect themselves.

So how is the idea not fool proof?

I have read ITT that you can wire directly to the cash cage. At least that's something.
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05-31-2014 , 03:17 AM
Lol

99% of this thread

Hope anyone that lost money finds it. Those that don't have money should keep coming up with creative ways to secure it, and ignore the boxes made available. Oh wait, that would require money.

Personally I just put all my money on high limit tables and keep going on dinner breaks. (please take that serious. Really. Ignore boxes for chips and cash are available.)
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05-31-2014 , 07:56 AM
Wasn't there a thread last year by a cop from CA who got his laptop and a few thousand dollars stolen at the RIO, and then the RIO recovered the computer and some of the money and wouldn't even tell him who they got it from? As I recall, they wouldn't do **** for him and tried at every step of the process to stall the investigation and wouldn't reimburse him until he ended up taking it to corporate or something.
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