They shouldn't apply for licenses where the taxation regime destroys the game. They have a huge voice in poker and could have made it clear that they would not support this theft.

The idiotic French system where there is tax on cash games even if there isn't a flop should have been lobbied against as well.

my condolences to all greek players on their black friday, mindboggling stupidity.

also, politards lookin real stupid itt

As i said I feel deeply with ordinary people in greece who has nothing to do with the corruption and suffers from it, but I can`t really feel with Greece pokerplayers if you look at the situation in greece from a bigger perspective.

I mean people starve that`s a bigger concern imo

yea ppl starve so they try to make a few extra $ from poker... but no the government doesnt let them...

I'm not so sure it's even a tax grab, as I'd imagine that the result of this is that the amount of Greeks playing internet poker will fall to almost zero. I'd imagine it is either some sort of politicians attempt to prevent money flowing out of the country via gambling.

Most of the people playing poker are losing money, not making it.

yea but everybody should be free to choose how they spend their money... i know even in the US ppl cant do that...

You're saying two totally different things:
1) You are stopping people earning money - the net effect of playing poker on the Greek population, or that of almost any population, is that they will lose money playing poker.
2) They're losing money overall but that's okay because it's their money - I agree, but it is a completely different argument to the one you started out with.

people pls stay on topic and stop debating on gambling etc

well there are the few ppl who are making money and most who dont so theres the two categories... this new system affects both cause most of the population
will lose their money even faster... cause when they occasionally win they will get immediately taxed for it... and the ppl who are actually making decent money... and yes there are a few who do that even in greece... they will prob lose that ability altogether... im guessin alot greeks are withdrawing their balances as we speak anyway...

These parodies of ****ing political clowns in Greece have hidden billions that they spent on military for several years when showing their numbers to get into the EU. Our politicans lacked balls and brain to check them closely and denie their wish to enter the EU.
Now they tax poker in a way that resembles how a fat, stupid and broke, but greedy kid is getting his sausage-fingers stuck in a candy-machine when trying to grab something for free, while he forgot to take a look through the winodw to see its empty, in the first place.
They are pissing against the wind till the day they drown, stupid ****ing greek politicans!

microgaming and ongame should thank Stars for this move...

Just have to congratule Stars for accepting this crap, really. I am not Greek but anyone has emailed the or something?

maybe you miss something itt?
EVEN if overall u are a losing player, you will be taxed if you have a winning session in one particular day from 7am to 7am next day (greek local time). u got it now?

greek are genious, with this tax scheme you can even tax losing player

I didn't miss anything - I got it before.

sad news indeed... a couple of years ago i tried to advise some officials from the ministry of finance on the subject and explain to them how the poker economy works. They clearly had no interest whatsoever to understand they just considered it another lottery type of business and their only concern how how do players deposit and cashout! of course their tax revenue now will be minimal as nobody that takes the game seriously will play from Greece instead of devising a logical tax scheme that could work for everyone! shame we prove shortsighted once more even though I must say some things in Greece are moving in right direction nowadays even tho at slow pace!

Sure, Greek gov mailed Stars and asked if it's ok for them to put taxes. Stars snap responded YES, let's do this f*ck!

I'm a "rakeback pro"... Just calculated for myself...
I would pay 10k$ in taxes for 25k$ rakeback.

0$ winnings
25k$ rakeback
10k$ tax on winning days
-----
15k$ profit

So that's not 20% tax, but 40% effectively.

This is just outrageous. And any other countries that are secretly lol'ing at this new change had better realise that sooner, or later, its gonna be the same for every country. RIP ONLINE POKER

Have you got any evidence to suggest this is the case?

Nothing is finished yet. First of all the only site that did anything about the new tax system is pokerstars (and full tilt ofc) but in a totally unpokerstars like manner someone might add. Hastily and with no previous warning. All the other sites keep things as usual (taxing sport bets as they did for a while now) but normally we should guess that they will have to make changes too.

However the fact that only pokerstars acted makes things suspicious. I dont think that anyone believes that pokerstars people dont know that if they're the only ones that have a tax, people will move out. So whatever they did they did it knowing that. For sure we have a lot more to see here.

Well, i started to play in 2008 daily. Since visiting this site, ive learned that FRANCE/SPAIN,ITALY have at least been segregated, plus a few more i think? USA, got completely ****ed outa the market, and are likely going to be segregated state by state, or at the very least, USA only. I saw a thread about the Aussies being messed with recently, and now i read about this in GREECE. There are threads popping up every other month with strict and somewhat crippling legislation's. So, yea, looking back over the years, i believe, UK and Ireland will be amongst others to go the same way.

Non pro Americans have to show their gross winning sessions (live or online)for the year on their 1040 under "Other Income". They can then deduct their losses (up to the amount of their winnings) on Schedule A. Of course in order to use Schedule A you have to itemize.

This is different from withholding. In some cases casinos and other entities will withhold funds from large jackpots or winnings. The taxpayer can then get part of those withholdings back when they file their returns if they have documented losses that they can show.

Can you give us more info?
Any good links?