can someone please explain to me how the uk licencing effects the future of online poker in aus? I dont understand it.

My understanding is basically this - if Stars (or anyone else) is to successfully apply for a licence in the Uk then it isn't allowed to continue operating in countries where online poker is illegal (Australia, Russia, etc)

Nothing is known for certain but that seems to be the general consensus with people who have looked into this far more than I have.

What's the reasoning behind them waiting?

As in, why didn't they pull the plug at the same time they did for all of those other countries?

So fn scary. GL Skippies

Obv just speculating here but the two most likely scenarios I can think of are

1) Get an extra month of rake out of the players

2) They are still negotiating with the Uk govt in an attempt to keep existing players

Honestly though I think 2 is very far fetched compared to 1

If indeed more countries are going to be banned I would assume the decision has already been made some time ago.

So if that is the case I imagine they made the decision to squeeze out as much rake as possible before the deadline.

All the countries that just got banned recently combined would still rake very little compared to Australia or Russia so that could well be the reason why they waited.

Hopefully they find a way to get licenced in the Uk without banning any more countries but based on what I have read the odds appear to be in favour of the player pool shrinking come November 1st unfortunately.

Where are the other threads talking about this topic?

What's the other thread?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...5/index33.html

That's depressing. I'm going to be feeling anxious and ****ty all week now. Just cashed in all my Vpps just in case.

jesus this sucks.

what other networks will still be open to aussies?

errrr wutt

**** man. Guess NZ it is if it need be.

We are not safe either. Local monopoly the TAB is lobbying govt (who they pay tax to) to shut down overseas betting sites access to NZ citizens. Its actually sports and racing revenue they are losing out on, but Poker will no doubt get swept along. For the govt its a no brainer $$$$, so just a matter of time. Probably

Why does the world suck so much lol

Is that you Richas?

Ffs as I've said before only re-start posting in this thread when there is a real issue that could affect online poker play in Aus.

Anyway, since I'm on about Richas about time you paid the Capitao, no?

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er no, I don't have dopples. As for settling the bet, let's wait to the year end eh?

PS I'll post in any thread I damn well please :-)

No problem with you posting itt as long as it relates to any plausible threat to online poker here in Aus.

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So is the UK licence stipulation that the company applying for a licence cannot be operating in any worldwide jurisdictions where it is illegal not an actual thing? Just wondering because I read that in the other thread and I can definitely see how that would be a threat but I'm not well-read on this at the moment

i've only a limited understanding of the whole thing, but UK Gambling Commission's website says "application in progress". maybe the paperwork is done but it's also possible, that amaya and the ukgc are still 'negotiating'. besides that, we shouldn't forget, that amaya is also in talks with the nj dga.

anyway: i've read several comments/opinions about the situation, but personally i don't think it's that easy to say PS operates in CAN/AUS/RUS on a grey market (and therefore has to leave). PS will fight for every market and they have law experts for different markets. it was always unclear (especially for AUS & RUS), if PS would stay 'forever', so this threat is not new at all.

one last word about the dealine of november the 1st. when amaya left the greymarkets (turkey and others) at october the 1st, some speculated this is because the licence in uk. but due to the legal challenge from the GBGA vs UK regulation it was known before (around sept. 25th), that the new deadline is november 1st.

so either leaving AUS/RUS/CAN wasn't necessary for the license, or amaya is indeed still negotiating. otherwise it would make more sense, that ps/ftp would have stayed the additional month on the 'grey markets' or would have pulled out in AUS/RUS/CAN on the same date

Well it was and is plausible. You may not like the early heads up but it is your government that makes it illegal to offer unlicenced games.

If it was not "plausible" Stars would have been itt long ago comitting to staying. They have not. It is now imminent - either my analysis is right or it is wrong but if it was wrong why on earth are Stars not saying we are committed to the Aus market as opposed to Baazov talking about India as a growth market and running promos for them?

I could be wrong, I hope I am wrong but I warned months ago when there was a hope of lobbying to alter your government's attitude. Now it is too late, the question is moot. Either I win a bet and donate it to charity or I lose and pay up. Even if I pay up that risk was and is real. You can be hostile to the warning, denial is fine but if it was not a real issue Stars would have been in here months ago reasuring Aus players.

Stars have never been keen on committing verbally to Aus, regardless of the position, from the government point of view its always been 'let sleeping dogs lie'

Theres always been the risk of Australia enforcing its law along with a threat from the PM a while ago, so I think stars has always been happy to just sit back quietly until otherwise

Whether this license is 'the otherwise' I guess we'll know come N1

this ain't true ... i really appreciate your posts, but it's not a simple either/or situation

even if PS could stay in AUS (in terms that DGE or UKGC wouldn't mind), no poker room pr whatever would come ITT. they don't have any license to announce, no guaranties ... what if in 6 months australia actively bans online poker? so 'none ps representative itt' just says nothing.

As for the 'will amaya leave AUS/RUS/CN' on nov 1st, i wrote my 2cts a few posts earlier ... but all speculations is a waste of time anyway. we will see (or not see, if the dates passed and nothing changed) #whataeffingsweat

FYI Aus actively banned online poker in 2001. The question since then has been enforcement.

Speculation now is surely a waste of time, less so months ago.

Edit: if seeking a UK licence had no impact upon Aus play they could say that ITT or elsewhere. No need for an eterna commitment just clarification on UKGC licencing. We have not heard it (yet) for the simple reason that on paper the UK licence bans illegal Aus operations.

maybe you missed my point (no native speaker her, sry)

so far i see two 'facts'

- amayas licence application in uk is pending
- amaya didn't left AUS/RUS/CAN at the same time they left Turkey and others (as i mentioned before, it was known at that point, that the 'switch' to the new regulation was on nov. 1st not oct. 1st).

so in my opinion, the most likely scenario is, that it's not decided yet (nothing about whether or not)

anyway, thx for the info about aussie & 2001

meh stars wouldn't take them from us